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    Posted: 09 November 2015 at 10:37pm

Dear Aetheist,What Do You think in this Regard?


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http://islamhashtag.com/striking-similarity-between-hell-and-black-hole/

Would really like to know your Views.

Edited by ISLAM HASHTAG - 09 November 2015 at 10:37pm
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If hell is (a) black hole it also has to respect Energy conservation and Entropy.

Thus, hell hotter than heaven is (in the long run) in conflict with the second law of thermodynamics.
This implies that the difference between heaven and hell will fade over time and both will have to become indistinguishable.

This is when we can finally meet Allah and Satan in the same pub.


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Edited by airmano - 11 November 2015 at 10:21am
The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tim the plumber Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 November 2015 at 1:46am
Since droping something into a black hole will destroy any information in it better than any other method any idea that a soul, whatever that is, would retain the complexity to rember stuff is silly. 
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In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion. (1987) -- Carl Sagan
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What do I think of this? It is trivial nonsense. The specific comparisons are puerile and facile. Anyone could concoct similar imagined parallels for anything. Why do you think this is of any interest or importance?

Let me tell you what has really happened here.

Very clever people called scientists have formed a family of complex theories to explain certain observed phenomena and earlier theoretical findings going back over 100 years. The physical manifestions of these theories have popularly been called black holes. Note the plural - the theories predict very many of them, everywhere in the Universe. Ongoing scientific observations and further theoretical work have confirmed the existence of these 'black holes' to a high degree of certainty, although the exact workings of them and how they interact with the known laws of physics remains the subject of much debate and conjecture. Nevertheless, the discovery ('discovery' meaning the theories' consistency with a compelling body of theoretical work and ongoing and improving observations) is one of the towering achievements of the human race. The leading scientists behind this work should be viewed with awe and admiration.

Now then, something else happened...

There are some disreputable, not very intelligent people who are always looking for dubious arguments to support their particular view of the world. These people looked around and stumbled across the black hole concept. They didn't understand it at all well, but they did quickly see how a few of the simplistic, popular descriptions of black holes could be twisted and bent until they appeared (to an ill-informed audience) to fit fairly well with some of their own insubstantiated theories about the world. The fit was pretty rubbish in truth, and needed them to ignore all the stuff that DIDN'T fit the argument, but they knew that their audience would be delighted to soak up this nonsense and convince themselves that the parallels were utterly convincing. It was perfect. The fraudsters didn't even need to try very hard. They knew the faithful would do all the work for them. And so it came to pass.

Christ, its depressing. Is this the sort of thing that helps convince people of their faith?? If so, it just goes to demonstrate how threadbare and pathetic that faith is, and how utterly impossible it is to get people to see sense.

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Oh really?
Let me quote to you some verse from Quran that suits you=
43|36|Whoever shuns the remembrance of the Most Gracious, We assign for him a devil, to be his companion.
43|37|They hinder them from the path, though they think they are guided.
43|40|Can you make the deaf hear, or guide the blind, and him who is in evident error?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tim the plumber Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 December 2015 at 5:24am
Originally posted by ISLAM HASHTAG ISLAM HASHTAG wrote:

Oh really?
Let me quote to you some verse from Quran that suits you=
43|36|Whoever shuns the remembrance of the Most Gracious, We assign for him a devil, to be his companion.
43|37|They hinder them from the path, though they think they are guided.
43|40|Can you make the deaf hear, or guide the blind, and him who is in evident error?


What has that got to do with black holes?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote airmano Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 December 2015 at 10:55am
Quote Matt:
Christ, its depressing. Is this the sort of thing that helps convince people of their faith??

This is precisely the reason that makes me think that Islam will go faster out of business then Christianity.

When you look at Christianity it also took a painstakingly long time to convince the people (or rather the educated) of the time that the sun does not revolve around the earth and even (as the pope acknowledged) that Evolution Theory ET is more than "just a theory".
Opposite to Islam these insights came nevertheless from inside Christianity (even Copernicus and Newton were Christians). For Islam it is perceived as imposed upon from Christianity and the resistance and resilience to this mental change is therefore even stronger (Just look at the discussions about ET and you see what I mean).

To slow down the tide and give the believers the soothing feeling that Islamic reasoning is at the same height as secular thinking the "Quranic Miracles" have been invented (there have been hardly any claims about "scientific miracles in the Quran" before the '80s).

For all outsiders it is obvious how ridiculous these claims are and - sooner or later it will also trickle into the (leading) Muslims heads, just because -in order to survive- nowadays big societies can't do without modern knowledge anymore.

And this will be the 'moment' of truth - but of a very different nature than the one which is mentioned in the Quran



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Ps: The other day I read that Saudi Arabia has bought an atomic clock from Germany. This didn't make it through the press, but I consider it as highly important news:
They will need well educated people to operate this and similar kinds of devices. People with a sound knowledge in Quantum Mechanics and Physics can only laugh about this black hole/Hell thoughts, but this time they are likely to come from the home country of Islam.
Without realizing the implications they've just bought some sort of "Pandora's box".

Edited by airmano - 01 December 2015 at 11:31am
The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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