Women in burkas face benefit cuts

Rezz,

This really is a very ominous development. This has nothing to do with getting a job or not getting a job and everything to do with compelling uniformity, or volunteer for accepting discrimination. This should be resisted by everyone. If this development spreads it would be a 'green light' to ghettoise anyone who dose not 'fit in' with what the authority says. It is the beginnings of fascism. Again! It shows the extent of the economic crisis which underpins all these provocations and communal conflict. "If they come for you in the morning they will come for us in the night".

I watched a tv show earlier this month where in Saudi there were a bunch of women in a venetian blind factory wearing niqab.  There are man jobs women can do that don't require their face to be seen.  I'm a receptionist, that would not be a job for a niqab wearing Muslimah, but my contract manager never leaves her office and deals with people via fax and phone.  Rarely do they see her.  Why couldn't a niqab wearing Muslimah get a job like that??????

One word:  Discrimination.

Bismillah,

There's a social stigma against camps, so it has to be everything but camps.

Thanks again for your deep understanding of the situation and concern for the human beings involved, Sister Angela!

there is also an obligation to do everything to get a job.

Many of us have moral  limitations on what we would do to get a job, and guidelines to help us in choosing our paths in life,  Al-Hamdulilah!

They already have concentration camps all over the USA, full to bursting with African Americans. The prisons in Britain are bursting with poor illiterate, mostly young unemployed, men, a disproportionate number are black and 'Asian'.  The same in France.

This latest development should alert everyone!

Bismillah,

Tim, what are you talking about please?  I really need you to elaborate because I don't get the connection between criminals being in jail -- although many people shouldn't be there for simple, poverty-based monetary crimesor personal drug use in my opinion -- and people who are simply different being put in concentration camps as the Japanese were in America?

herjihad wrote: There's a social stigma against camps, so it has to be everything but camps.

What makes you think there's a social stigma against camps? We already have them! Including specialist torture camps. Have the leaders of the great religions gone on hunger strike or lead a great champaign against them? Has there been a massive public outcry with editors and leading journalists demanding the closure of these hell holes?  They didn't in Germany either.

After everything we have seen and heard over the last few years not to mention the permanent racist criminalisation of entire minority populations and incarceration of disproportionate numbers of them in the USA. How is it that so many African Americans are in jail and being executed, all 'legally'?  You surely don't think there is justice there?

You appear to have a greater trust in the 'state' to be fare than I and many others do.

Tim Evans wrote: The prisons in Britain are bursting with poor illiterate, mostly young unemployed, men, a disproportionate number are black and 'Asian'.

Can you back this sweeping statement up with statistics please.

Kechup,

Even the dogs in the street are barking it. I'm sure if its not true you will be able to post about it. That I would like to see!

Tim Evans wrote: Kechup, Even the dogs in the street are barking it. I'm sure if its not true you will be able to post about it. That I would like to see!

Dont turn it back on me, you made the statement you prove you are correct.

That aside.. There are legitimate reasons for burkas being disallowed in some jobs/work places.. health and safety laws in some countries are very strict so it is for thier own safety, 

If these people are capable of working, burkas aside then why should they collect dole money??  It frustrates me working full time knowing that a small percentage of my wages keeps workable unemployed, unemployed.

For the ignorant can someone please explain why burkas are a must..

Tim Evans wrote: Rezz, This really is a very ominous development. This has nothing to do with getting a job or not getting a job and everything to do with compelling uniformity, or volunteer for accepting discrimination. This should be resisted by everyone. If this development spreads it would be a 'green light' to ghettoise anyone who dose not 'fit in' with what the authority says. It is the beginnings of fascism. Again! It shows the extent of the economic crisis which underpins all these provocations and communal conflict. "If they come for you in the morning they will come for us in the night".

Oh please! You are leaning towards a conspiracy theory side

SO a surfer who surf all day long, who is workable and all but just doesn�t get a job because he wants to surf all day long thinking he is getting free money, is it right that the government, people paying tax for his hobby to continue with getting payments when he/she doesn�t take the effort to get a job???

Angela wrote: I watched a tv show earlier this month where in Saudi there were a bunch of women in a venetian blind factory wearing niqab.  There are man jobs women can do that don't require their face to be seen.  I'm a receptionist, that would not be a job for a niqab wearing Muslimah, but my contract manager never leaves her office and deals with people via fax and phone.  Rarely do they see her.  Why couldn't a niqab wearing Muslimah get a job like that?????? One word:  Discrimination.

I understand you and in agreement but I do understand why, about the article.

And to show that I am in agreement with you, I say call centers.

herjihad wrote: there is also an obligation to do everything to get a job. Many of us have moral  limitations on what we would do to get a job, and guidelines to help us in choosing our paths in life,  Al-Hamdulilah!

I understand and do agree but what jobs these women being offered or going after, we do not know, the article doesn�t state this. As I have said I understand why such rulings exists, many cultures / countries, job require it in customer services, there is a need for a face to face interaction it is consider rude.

But I think you know that

Ketchup wrote: That aside.. There are legitimate reasons for burkas being disallowed in some jobs/work places.. health and safety laws in some countries are very strict so it is for thier own safety,

Very True.

Martin Niem�ller (1892�1984), Protestant pastor and social activist

Tim Evans wrote: The German Nazis could not have even started their march to "the final solution of the Jews" without the complacency or cooperation of the German population. Especially the civil servants and business community who carried out the discrimination which the law demanded.

Who was going to go against Hitler ?? 

Sign reader you are somewhat wrong, but I'm sure I'll be corrected

Wearing burka is not a compulsory wear among women, and its not all about do not commit adultery, its there for more peity, not that it makes other women who do cover up as prescribed not have more or less peity, it is a personal option to women, some it is culture and it carries over.

Sign reader, if what you say is all correct then why don't ALL muslim women wear burka ? 

Some Muslim women wear burkas because the wives of the Prophet Mohamed used to hide completely behind a curtain or veil cover themselves so that only one eye showed. Muslim women are told to follow the examples of the Prophet's wives. These women will not remove the burkas because they feel that they must cover completely.

Actually, it all has to do with piety and modesty. The Prophet said: "Every religion has its characteristic and the characteristic of Islam is modesty."

But I am torn about this article. There is a part of me that agrees that it is unfair to accept welfare if you are able to work, and in Islam you should follow the laws of the land where you live unless they are a sin, so going on the required job interviews would not be a sin. If they get a job with burka, fine, if not, fine, but they should do the interviews.  However, making burkas illegal in schools and public places is another matter all together. That shows that this is a somewhat discriminatory move.

Angel and all.

Angel wrote: Who was going to go against Hitler ??

All the people mentioned by Martin Niemoller is the answer.

But they did not see each others plight expert in narrow terms.

Please everyone, see this in the context of of what is happening around the world.

Conspiracy? No, repetition yes!

There is no excuse for anyone to be out of work as there are jobs out there. 

There are many jobs were burkas wont be acceptable due to health and safety... these are laws put in place to keep people safe not to boost the profit of business. 

If the only reason these people wont work is because they arent allowed to wear cloth then they are nothing but spongers on society... these are the people that drain us tax payers!#

I resent working hard so others can leach!  Thats what this is, leaching.

Tim before you go off on one I see you are online posting 24/7.. good job is it?

Ketchup wrote: If the only reason these people wont work is because they arent allowed to wear cloth then they are nothing but spongers on society... these are the people that drain us tax payers!# I resent working hard so others can leach!  Thats what this is, leaching. Tim before you go off on one I see you are online posting 24/7.. good job is it?

Ketchup:

Why is it your cotton pickin business over what goes on in Holland--who gets the dole, who doesn't and why? How does your tax paid in UK, affected by welfare paid  in Utrecht.
These descendents of Dutch colonisers-- who stole enough  from their home countries need to be a  little reasonable.  I don't see a few hundred (380) bucksa month paid to children of the old colonies a big deal. It is too freakin trivial to argue about here. Let Dutch make their law changes and let the chips fall where they may. The Dutch should have known better before occupying their territories. It was part of the package somehow.
I see you working pretty hard in spreading the anti islamic propaganda, alongwith that Rezz the turncoat Shiite.  He is big  Judeo  -Christian fan  --Do I need to bring in the all the woman / sex related references from old and new testaments for your and his edification??

As a uncle sam's tax payer I have a bigger beef than you--bcz your country is mostly responsible for instigating the wreck and plunder of country called Iraq ( including American tax payer's money/ I am not sure how much the Brits got)--you want to talk about 380 bucks- you need to grow up and get a life pronto if possible.
If you have resentful personalty G. it is too bad-- go see a shrink

You really want to know the burqa was an ultimate protection from the lawless imperialist rapists and their lackeys in the colonies. No poor woman was safe from the plantation operators in the colonies. I remember there were more burqa clads in the colonial time frame than there are today in say Sub-continent. Not that colonialism and its exploitation  has ended but gone into next phase of neo colonialism and spread of women's sexual exploitation by the new version of their agents in shapes of Kings/Sheiks or whatever.
The basic recommendation for the believing ladies is just a shawl to cover the body curves and scarf only -- burqa is lot easier to handle plus provides total privacy from the cold stares of predators. I know it is difficult for the Europeans to understand this bcz they parted with the religion this concept happened to be a part of.
Are you old enough to remember the Shah had converted Iran into a big sex joint after he was brought back by the Yankees and then see what happened !!!!

The whole thing is man's sexual mentality--majority want a strip show for nothing and media is doing a pretty good job at that for  little money. The FREE  Muslims have a duty to do their job in following the commandments as much as humanly possible.

You read the following article, might be mirror for you:
http://www.counterpunch.com/vanbergen02202006.html - http://www.counterpunch.com/vanbergen02202006.html

There are a lot more significant problems in the world than this.
If there is something to argue about let's do about the multi billionbucks theft from Iwreck(Iraq) in broad day light.

"The whole thing is man's sexual mentality--majority want a strip show for nothing and media is doing a pretty good job at that for  little money. The FREE  Muslims have a duty to do their job in following the commandments as much as humanly possible."

I say old chap, what you say is absolutely incorrect. Back it up with some good facts instead of just speculation, prejudice and hearsay.