Akbar Khan is a bit too preoccupied with me. I think I hit a nerve when I said that I won't bend to his rhetorical games, because now he's just mirroring my criticisms of him to direct them towards me. After all, if he really thinks that I'm a waste of time and energy then why does he continue to rant about me? His own comments confirm my point, which is why I reject them entirely.

Bottom line is that I accept no excuses for wrong behavior from anyone. In the case of Yassin, may God have mercy on his soul.

JamesBond has been reincarnated as State of Israel and he has been given licence to kill by MI5 and seconded by CIA so we are only left to watch this movie.

As-salaamu'Alaiykum Wa-Rahmatullah,

People like Nick Cameron and Elke, and Franky, and whoever else visits this website, who try to imply some sort of negative connotation about Muslims, and try to present their viewpoint based on their "RELIABLE" sources like Elke's New York Times hah how laughable. Just becuase they are a large media conglomerate does not make them anymore truthful or trustworthy.

But anyway what i'm getting at here, these people dear brothers/sisters in Islam, have been rendered intellectually derilect, and from our own experience here, we can both see that trying to provide them with information and knowledge here is such a futile exercise because they disregard it like Nick has many many times n the past as being something that is not related to the subject at hand, meanwhile it really is. So the true gameplayer here is Nick and Elke and whoever else talks in circles here just to try to reign supreme in their abstinent nature towards anythign that doesn't fit their perfect moulds.

So let them post...just counter their arguments and treat them like the shadows that they are, who are living in a state of fear and giving excuses for not providing their real name...ultimately these people are insecure and too self-conscious.

But yeah let's continue to discuss wiht each other...it is better for us, let's stop wasting out time and efforts...it's like if a dog barks at you and you want the dog to stop barking, barking back at the dog doesn't make it stop. So let the dog bark...

The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.

-Stephen Hawking


Keep in touch Hudd Al-Hamd, and BNAK and Saleem, and Zinedine, Wassalaamu'Alaiykum Wa-Rahmatullah
:-)

Did you lose anybody close to you in the misfortunate attack on the used to be WTC? And by the way is not moron...is "insensitive", the English dictionary is more than 100 words. In order to continue this dialogue, allow me to educate you on American values. I give 2 more recent facts to chew on: 1) In the first US vs Iraq war, Desert fart, or whatever it was called, CNN had a documentary on US soldiers(immediately after the war). Several soldiers are interviewed and clips from the offensive are shown. Enjoy some bits comment from the soldiers: "We were ordered to fire on anything moving, irregardless whether it was a combatant vehicle or civilian. We looke somewhat puzzled. The commander officer asked: "Anybody has a problem with that?" Nobody answered, but one could sense the weight of this unconventional task. Finally, a soldier asked permission to speak. He asked, what if we encouter civilian vehicles that just bring commuters home from work to their families?" "Good question", said the commander, then he continue,"We cannot take that risk; they could be civilians or they could be not; however if you think of them as returning fathers, husbands or sons, I understand you have a problem blasting the hell out of them. Think of them more like vermin, rats...or even better, cockroaches!" 2)High rank star officers in the invasion of Iraq: "We have to clear out all existing or asumed as existing pockets of resistence in Baghdad. Civilian casualties will be extremely high since we do not have enough intelligence to properly locate these pockets. We will target the most probable locations with tremendous power to anihilate them for good. The high number of civilian casualties will definitely invalidate the purpose, but we cannot take chances...we need to prepair a smooth invasion by the infantery." I gave you two examples, one from before 9/11 and one after. My point in doing so was to show you that the US policy toward non-Americans, was and is the same, 9/11 or not.

Nah man, I'm cool. I am an Aries(Zodiac), a fire sign and I don't want to comment on the rest...Why Nick? Now when you decided to have your moment of cleansing, you want to fit in a charicature? Dick the Rabbit Brain? Don't disappoint me Nick. If you didn't put light in the discussions on this website, definitely youput fire. You are entitled to your opinions and even fears. When they seem to me ungrounded, illogical, one-sided, inhumane, I will definitely respond. By and large you know now my believes. Anything that sounds like: "I loves my gun! Loves my gun!" gives me the creeps. You still have to make one effort and reveal something personal about yourself and eventually drop this stupid alias, but not for Dick the Rabbit Brain. Unless you were really, Dick the Rabbit Brain. Otherwise you will find yourself in a brand-new set of troubles with Akbar Khan and others on the web. I would say...try the truth? I still believe that you have some Jewish tale in yourself. I don't know why would that make you uneasy. Unless your intentions are not sincere. My car dealer is Jewish, he employs a variety of people of all ethnicities, including Muslims. Nobody blew up his business or minced him for beefcakes! Maybe you have the feeling that you are cast into the wide world and you feel like a cat thrown into the dog-pound. Be yourself, look upon this website like a street in a multicultural neighbourhood. Somebody even posted his comments in Italian that the editor needed to translate for us, isn't it fun? So, try to know your neighbours. Begin with introducing yourself. What? You play the gansta? Alias? Street-name? A.K.A.? Cool! Only, represent, naameen?
You see, USA and Israel are always judgemental about others, they say:"They killed 10, we will kill 1000!" This makes you worse than the one you condemned! Why not try to put yourself the question:"Why do this people want us dead? We must do something extremely wrong, people to hate us to death?!"

To "Hudd,"

Trash killed at the WTC? Nice comment,
moron. Just like the Palestinian terrorist
killed -- he too was the worst kind of trash - A
MURDERER!!!
AND A MANIPULATOR.

All this stupid anger that you spew would
serve you a lot better if you used it to help
someone other than yourself. Terrorism is
NOT a legitimate by-product of oppression
and it cannot be excused, justified or
rationalized, or "accepted." You people have
GOT to move out of this 12th century backward
way of life and move into the world as it is
today. Why can't Islamicity.com offer "articles"
on tolerance and acceptence.

Note to Islamicity editors: If you want to be
taken seriously as a news site start offering a
more balanced approach to the articles you
post. Where's the story about the 14 year old
Palestinian boy caught loaded with explosives
ready to kill himself and others? Where's the
story about the barbaric incident in Spain?
This site is laughable -- Why don't you just call
it Hateamerica.com and be done with it? YOU
DON'T HELP THE IMAGE OF THE ISLAMIC
PEOPLE WHEN YOU FUEL THEIR ANGER
AND HATRED!!!! Enough people in the world
have issues with these people and you just
make it worse by pretending to speak for an
entire group with your biased, ridiculous
choice of articles. for Al-Jazeera and The
Guardian, as if they were legitimate respected
publications.

May God Bless You All

Hudd D'Alhamd:

Oh man, my gut hurt after that one. I think you have a clever sense of humor, for what it's worth. I will take this to mean that you're not so angry anymore. :)

Peace to you!

P.S.: Dick the Rabbit Brain...I'm gonna copyright that one.

Relax, man. You kept your cool by now. What happened? Well Nick, I expect that even if you took an alias, it should represent what you are. Let me elaborate on that. If your name would be(I am just speculating, chillax, no need to go bananas!), "Komarek" and thus belonging to the Czeh nation, it would have been commendable to represent your nation/origin/ancestry in taking as alias, let's fantasize, Staczek". Makes sense? Like you are not ashamed of your ancestry, are you? You have something to hide? I don't see you as a charicature, why?, being half Scottish and half Jewish, you would rate as a charicature? Nick?! Are you serious?! Wow, that's anti-Semitic, isn't it? I didn't ask:"What do you want from me?!", I asked, generally speaking what was that you wanted? In the sense of conciliation, retaliation for the Muslims worldwide, more Gitmos, more jails to be made available for Muslims, design more deadly weapons for the Israelis to clear the terrain of Palestinians. Things like these. In other words, how do you want to dispose of the Palestinians? You must have better ideas than Adolf Hitler, Jawol Herr Hauptmann! What about this one, it was planned in South Africa by the apartheit regime for the unwanted(anybody that wasn't Anglo-Saxon or European in origin), innoculate the white(in our case the Israeli)population agaist a terrible desease not yet in outbreak. I give you, Ebola virus, sounds familiar? It was a virus thrown into Ebola river, Zaire. Could be done to the Palestinians. They would appear to die of natural causes. Do you like this scheme? Do you have a better plan? Let's have it! We all are very eager to find out how you would solve the suicidal problem of the Palestinians. Don't stop here, cow-puncher(explanation, cow-puncher is a Texan term referring to a cow-boy's help or trainee), elaborate furthur. How would you deal with over one billion Muslims? Ebola won't work on such a multitude. It didn't work in the Zaire project as well.

Hudd D'Alhamd:

First of all, I should probably dispense with the your mental image of me. My real name is not Nick Cameron. It is an alias that I use in order to protect my true identity. Let's just say I've been screwed enough times over the Internet for me to realize that this is the best policy for me. Nevertheless, the opinions that I state here are genuinely mine. But given the limited nature of this medium of communication, I can understand why you see me as a caricature. You'd probably get a better sense of who I really am under different circumstances.

Getting back to your most recent comments on this article, it seems to me that you have a lot of grievances against my government as well as Israel. Not surprising, since many in the Muslim world seem to have the same grievances. You also go on a long rant against my religious beliefs. But as I have continued to say, this is all beside the point as far as I'm concerned. Even if I were to accept everything that you have said, none of it would address my concerns.

You then conclude by saying that you don't know what I "want" from you. I think this might be why there's such a disconnect, because it seems that many of the Muslims here who engage in diatribes don't understand what my intentions are.

You see, I'm not an extraordinary individual in any sense of the word. I am but a simple man who desires little more than to live a meaningful life free from injustice. And I demand that the entire world respects my wish. I do not believe that it is arrogant for me to make such a demand, for life and justice are UNIVERSAL HUMAN RIGHTS. Moreover, I have never infringed upon these rights of others, so I believe that all human beings are morally prohibitted from infringing upon my rights. And I strongly believe that this applies regardless of any complaints that the Muslim world may have about my government.

This fundamental belief is the foundation for most of my comments on this s

It's hard Nick. It is very hard for me to keep a cool head and a decent tongue in it, when I read some of the garbage you are not ashamed to post. But this is your purpose, I suppose, isn't it? Our mutual friend, Akbar Khan, just cast a light on something was escaping my judgement. You appeared to me an intelligent person that was(my assumption) blinded by a biased media and unilateral politics of a government he worshiped instead of Almighty God. The image I created of yourself in my mind is like: you are definitely a white cow-puncher, according to your name, of Scottish/Irish ancestry, on one side, Jewish on the other. You don't practice anything, neither Christianity nor Judaism. You are like many of your white American racists, atheist and use God as a pretext when it works for you. This attitude is your Jewish heritage. I couldn't say that I could read you like a book. You are a supplanter and submersive as a snake. You follow a double standard "ethics", you call on morality when talking about Muslims in order to hide your government's hideous imoral actions throughout the world. You think you are far smarter than any Muslim on this web and you never do a mistake. This too is from your Jewish side. You see, Bush, your mentally deficient president, or shall I refer to him as people in my country's government did? The moron Bush is responsible of the murder of hundred of thousands of innocent civilians, killed in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yugoslavia and God knows where else. You still worship him. Does he deserve to die? Of course he does and he will, God willing, and he will be dead dead, fodder for Hell. I don't think he will have the chance to be martyred, but he will die anyway. That's the way things are. So, worship something more permanent. Try God, for a change. What the Israeli told you is Zionist crap. Try this one, "do you think that a government can arbitrarily occupy an inhabitted land and rid it of its population by means of genocide(ethnic cleansing)?

As-Salamu 'aleikum, brother Akbar Khan. Jazak Allahu khairan, for making this comment. How very true, all what you said, and how very sad and disturbing. It's so cruel. I being a servant of ar-Rahham ar-Rahim cannot fathom how can humans degrade themselves to the state of troglodytes(cavemen, that is!). But then again, Allah has revealed this in His Holy book, surah (at-Tin)#45, verses:"4- We have indeed created man in the best of molds, 5- Then we do abase him to be the lowest of the low, 6- Except such as believe and do righteous deeds: For they shall have a reward unfailing."(Sadaqallahu al-'Azim). Problem is brother, the wish to make things right. As the prophet(pbuh) said: "If you see a wrongdoing, change it by your hand, if you can't, then by your mouth, if you can't that as well, then change it in your heart. And that's the least a mumin can do." We all strive to mend things in the best way, by our hands(doings). It is hard for me to realize that I can't change things by my hand. Therefore I try to run my mouth in the service of the Truth, in the hope that I shall prevail over falsehood. I have to admit that you were right about Nick. Thank you for the warning. However, it is my belief that all men/women were meant to be in the best of molds! In every creature's heart there is the name of Allah! If you slice the heart in two the pattern that comes out because of the setting of the chambers would read in Arabic, "Allah". On that I am counting brother when I pick up an argument with devils like Nick! I hope, I could make them see the precious light that God sends to every intellect...it there the light of truth, but people are too blinded of the ages they spent in darkness. Is there any hope, brother? Islaam won once over Darkness(the Dark Ages). We need new resources, new tools. Inshallah, Mehdi draws near, because this situation is unbearable for the sober mind. Issa will kill Dajjal at the Gate of Hudd in Palestine. Ya Rabbil'alamin, let it happen soon!

Middle East is getting very very violent, every day.
TIT for Tat.
An Eye for an eye.
assassination for an assassination.

I pray to Allah that this violence stops,
before it engulfs the whole planet.

Akbar Khan:

While your collection of quotes is a fascinating read, it's also beside the point as far as I'm concerned. From the very beginning, I have stated clearly that two wrongs do not make a right. In this case, no amount of alleged Israeli atrocities could ever justify a Palestinian atrocity. And this principle applies universally. If an American kills an innocent Sudanese in cold blood, for example, that American should be condemned. In fact, those who know me realize that I am much more swift in real life (as opposed to this virtual reality) in condemning the wrongdoings of my own countrymen than I am of others. A wrong is a wrong regardless of excuses, and moral people should see no shame in saying so.

I believe that this is not a difficult concept to fathom, which is why I can't understand why it seems that so many in the Muslim world can't accept this. (Perhaps so many just don't want to accept it fear of feeling humiliated, I'm not sure.) Again, this goes back to the breakdown in morality that I spoke about previously. But none of this would be America's problem if the troubles of the Muslim world stayed off our soil.

God willing, all outsiders will come to accept *without condition* that attacking innocent Americans is wrong.

As-salaamu'Alaiykum Hudd Al-Hamd...do not let Nick Cameron get to you, it's not worth wasting your energy over. He sees the situation from the viewpoint of the illusion of knowledge, and we, do not. Let him be as he is, we must perservere and continue in our efforts to share the beauty contained in the Glorious Qur'an with all of humanity - and the best way for us to do that is to be patient, and not let the critics get to us, because what we believe in is more powerful than their criticism.

Insha'Allah we will be the ones who shine bright and be representatives in the Islamic movement led by Imam Mahdi - I believe we are in the period of the end times..if we do not see it, our children or grandchildren certainly will.

It wouldn't hurt though, for me ot post some comments made by the politicians of Israel, intellectuals, and even by jewish-zionists:

"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail."
--Rabbi Ya'acov Perin in his eulogy at the funeral of mass murderer Dr. Baruch Goldstein.

"[My] awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish state."
-- Albert Einstein, quoted in an article by Mordecai Briemberg published in The Outlook, 04/01-0/15, 1998.

"If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel."
-- Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth's Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation).

"There is no doubt that many sexual atrocities were committed by the attacking Jews. Many young girls were raped and later slaughtered. Old women were also molested."

General Richard Catling, British Army Assistant Inspector after interrogating several female survivors (The Palestinian Catastrophe, Michael Palumbo, 1987)

BNAK:

I can assure you that I'm not a bigot, nor am I an "American power". I believe that life is a gift from God that we should treasure and not squander needlessly. I make no pretense of neutrality on this, since this is what I believe.

That being said, I believe that those who choose to sacrifice the lives of innocent people in furtherance of their own political agendas commit a great crime against all of humanity. For to kill one innocent person is harm to all the world. That's why I think the elimination of the Sheikh was understandable.

You can choose to insult me all you like, but no matter what you say it's God who will judge all of us. That's just how it is, even if you think it's "irrational".

Peace out!

Hudd D'Alhamd:

I really think you need to calm down, because losing your temper will only do a disservice to your beliefs.

Anyways, let me talk about a recent conversation I had with an Israeli. I told him that I didn't like how Sharon orders attacks on Palestinian leaders like those in Hamas because it endangers the peace process. He asked if I think America should kill leaders of organizations that sponsor suicide bombings against Americans. I told him that it's a different situation. Predictably, he managed to silence me when he asked what that difference is.

Is there one? Damned if I know.

The creation of Isreal is christian hadith.
Muslims need to wake up and swallow this reality.
The US and it's leaders, both parties, will FOREVER support Isreal unconditionally.

If they don't they will loose the popular Christian vote ... and Jewish power backing and money.

There is no grand Jewish conspiricy...there is only Arab ignorance and inability to deal with the situation.

The Arab states need to come to the aid of their brothers ... find a way to make sure no more of their blood is spilled....the US will never borker this peace deal...NEVER.

In the end, the only hope of the those in the occupied terrorities is to breed the Isrealies out of existance.

Arabs need to stop thinking with their passion and use their heads

Yes the Us should cut all the hard earned tax payers money from the Illegal state of the Zionist. However, let us be practical. whether we admit it or not our government and the policy makers are under the control of Zionists who care less about US interest. Olmost daily palestinians civilians are murderd, their homes and farms are destroyed by the occupation force of the terrorist state of Zionists. The US had lost the sense of justice and can't talk about justice any more. It is sad to see a small group of hardcore Zionist have such controll on a great nation like the US. I am afraid the fall this nation will be as a result of this control.

Knowing what you are based on your comments on other such topics, your comments here didn't come as a surprise to me Nick.
I know if I try to refute what you said, you will come up with irrational statements like:
"I stand by my words" "It's just the way things are" etc. So, I will just say three words to you:
"Shame on you"
Shame on you!

What do you want Nick? ... The Hamas statement or Sheikh Ahmad Yassin Assassination? Did it ever crossed your (whatever you call mind?) that you need to look first at the action to realize the reaction? What was expected from Hamas? They to fall down on their faces and chant: Israel the great?! The Palestinians will never accept the Israelis as their rulers nor the Iraqis will accept the Americans as their benefactors. And America can do nothing in the occupied territories. There are about 4 to 5 million Palestinians there, double that for the Palestinians living outside mainly in the USA. I don't think USA for even their great unconditional love for Israel are willing to bring the occupied territories next to Washington! They will not go for Hamas, rest assured. But Hamas will go for every target in Israel, you can bet your life on that, Nick. You know, Palestinians are not followers of the principle, "if somebody struck you on one cheek, turn him the other!" Neither USA nor Israel are following this principle, why would the Palestinians? You see, this is a very unconventional war. No uniforms, no conventional weapons, no bounderies...the enamy is an ideology, it sprouts everywhere where youths live and spreads beyond checkpoints, not in copies of Arabic script, but travels in the mind...name me one country in the world that does not have a Muslim living in it! I thought Iceland would be one. I was wrong. There are Muslims in Iceland! Nick you can crack or split yourself or just blow it out, there is nothing you can do about it. Only, I will quote Christopher Ward, "blah, blah, blah..." Unless justice prevailes and I mean JUSTICE, there is no light at the end of the barrel. You cannot look for peace toting an M16. Nick, you achieve nothing here on this website, you think you can change my mindset? Good luck, buddy!

SALAAM. ARABS AND MUSLIMS CONDEMN THE USA OF TAKING A ONE-SIDED APPROACH SUPPORTING ISRAEL BUT THINK NOTHING OF THEIR OWN ONE-SIDED APPROACH
SUPPORTING THE PALESTINIANS. MALICE AND
MISREPRESENTATION ARE NO WAY TO BRING ABOUT A
VIABLE PEACE. HAMAS HAS BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR
75 SUICIDE BOMBING IN THE YEARS 2002 AND 2003
CAUSING THE DEATH OF 356 ISRAELIS IN THOSE TWO YEARS ALONE. IF SHEIKH YASSIN WAS A SPIRITUAL LEADER DID HE NOT READ IN THE KORAN THAT KILLING ONE HUMAN BEING WAS LIKE KILLING ALL HUMANITY!!
SIMILARLY, 9/11 KILLED 3,000 HUMAN BEINGS. WHERE WAS THE PROTEST IN THE ISLAMIC WORLD. NONE AT ALL. IS THIS WHAT ISLAM HAS BEEN REDUCED TO:
WE CAN KILL YOU BUT YOU CANNOT KILL US AND IF YOU TAKE SELF-DEFENSIVE MEASURES IT HURTS OUR UMMAH'S FEELINGS AND ENRAGES US. THE PERSISTENT SUICIDE BOMBINGS BY HAMAS WAS A FLAGRANT ACT OF WAR AGAINST THE SOVEREIGN STATE OF ISRAEL. AS FAR AS ISRAEL WAS CONCERNED, SHEIKH YASSIN WAS THE MILITARY COMMANDER OF HAMAS. NO SELF-RESPECTING GOVERNMENT COULD CONTINUE TO LET THIS FLAGRANT VIOLATION OF THE RULE OF LAW GO UNPUNISHED. LET MUSLIMS SEE THINGS THROUGH THE EYES OF OTHERS.
BY NOT DOING THIS MUSLIMS ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE KORAN AND BEGINNING TO LOOK FOOLISH. HAMAS OPENLY PROCLAIMS THAT ITS GOAL IS THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL. WHEN ISRAEL TAKES SELF-DEFENSIVE MEASURES IT SHOCKS THE WORLD. HAMAS IS MAKING TERRORISTS OF ALL OF US. IS THIS ANY WAY TO
WIN FRIENDS AND INFLUENCE PEOPLE?? MASHALLAH.

In a statement issued and distributed by Hamas in Gaza, Ezzedeen al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of Hamas, vowed to strike back through a series of retaliatory actions that would rock Israel and teach the "enemy an unforgettable lesson."

"Sharon granted Yassin Martyrdom, and we will grant Israelis the death in every Israeli city and street. This is the highest point of collapse and failure of any peaceful option. Today Sharon has taken a decision for the killing of hundreds of Zionists. Our self-sacrificing attacks will come soon while Yassin rests in peace," the military statement of Ezzedeen al-Qassam Brigades, read.

Hamas is terror to the Israelis. Statements like those above make it easier for Americans to understand why Sharon did what he did. If terrorism occurs only when innocent are targetted, then operations against Hamas don't seem like terrorism to me.