U.S. Efforts for Democracy

Category: Americas, World Affairs Topics: Afghanistan, Iraq Views: 5861
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The Iraqi Council has agreed and signed the Constitution; the formation of a new constitution is underway in Afghanistan. Kicking and screaming, the countries are being dragged to the table of democracy. All the posturing by leaders of Muslim nations to discount or marginalize the U.S. led efforts to ram democracy down their throats will not succeed. In the short run, the loud protests of the leaders tap into the prevailing anti-American mood that exists in the Muslim world - a mood that is a result of the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and the unjust U.S. foreign policy toward the Palestinians. 

In the long run, though these issues have currently provided the leaders of the Muslim world an easy opportunity to keep the anger of the Muslim masses pegged, the real issue the Muslim leaders must face is their own inability to deliver hope and opportunity for the building of a future for their own people. Having no reference to a frame of representative if not democratic government either in their historical or present collective memories, the masses and the leadership both need help from another source, even if that source is the U.S.

It is true that if our plans for democracy in the Muslim countries are to succeed, the U.S. government must have the involvement if not endorsement of the leadership in the area. Yet, the performances and achievements of the leaders in enhancing any form or facet of truly representative governments with full transparency or accountability show that they are not capable of facilitating the process. In fact this would be contrary to their interests and their hold on power. 

The challenge for our government then is to bypass these leaders and tap into the masses directly. This will not be easy. As already stated, the anger and resentment against the U.S. is at its highest in the Muslim world. This certainly makes our government's efforts even more difficult.

The framing of the constitutions of Iraq and Afghanistan, for which our Government has exerted great efforts, is certainly a welcome beginning. In this difficult process, all parties involved are still on a learning curve - the Iraqis and the Afghans with their various factions and our own government. There will be periods of uncertainty and mistakes will be made. The hard-liners within the Muslim world will continue to de-legitimize any constitution or any form of government that is not based on their definition or interpretation of the Shariah (the Islamic legal framework and the foundational basis of Muslim society), the Quran and the traditions of Prophet Muhammad. Our government, in order to address this issue, has painstakingly made efforts to enlist and consult scholars both in Iraq and Afghanistan. Committees have been formed that give their input in the making of formalized documents and processes pertaining to implementation and power-sharing. This is more than any effort made for the people of Iraq or Afghanistan by their own leaders, some of whom have ruled their countries for decades. Yes, there may be significant disagreements and indeed room for amendments, but as the processes get established and go forward, the will of the Muslim masses will hopefully prevail in bringing about the necessary changes.

Having broken the ice, our government must now look at its relationship with strategic partners in the Muslim world. We must suggest if not demand constitutional reforms and other prerequisites for democracy, that is, transparency and accountability, from the leaders of the countries to whom financial and even military aid is being provided. The process might require changes in the rules of engagement with these countries and it might seem to "compromise" our interests momentarily, yet over a period of time it will yield a bigger dividend for us and also the people of the region. It will establish a durable bond between the US government and the people of the area, if not the leaders, and this is how true representative governments will emerge. 

More efforts through local NGOs to bolster economic and social development in these areas will certainly facilitate the progress toward democracy in the regions.

Lastly, the question, "Why do they hate us?" that is being asked increasingly on both sides of the divide, in the U.S. and Muslim countries, must be examined objectively. The rage of the Muslim masses against the U.S. predates Afghanistan and Iraq. The issue throughout has been our blind support of Israeli governments who continue to violate all international and human rights, unfettered by and on the contrary with the tacit support of U.S. policy makers. Suicide bombings are acts of desperation and depravation. They are against the true teachings of Islam and must be condemned. Yet it must also be recognized that evasiveness about Israeli occupation and the moral question inherent in the dehumanization of the Palestinians by Israeli authorities must be acknowledged and addressed. This is the cornerstone of the hatred of the U.S. in countries in the Middle East and the Muslim world. Otherwise, America, and the freedoms and opportunities it offers to the "huddled masses," are objects of adulation and hope as well as examples to follow for the Muslim masses from Afghanistan to Algeria.

If the U.S. is serious about winning the war on terrorism, it must actively intervene in bringing about a just resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Of the proposed U.S. Road Map, neither "map" nor "road", remains. More than the "victories" in Afghanistan and Iraq, the US government can really win a big one for the cause of global peace and justice by being more even-handed in demanding that the Israeli Government comply with international laws and the principles of human rights. This, more than any other issue, will establish the credibility of our government with the international Muslim population and will facilitate the important task of building democracies in the Muslim world.

Dr. Nazir Khaja is a Pakistani American. He is Chairman of Islamic Information Service that produces weekly Islamic programs for television. He practices and teaches Medicine. He is also active in inter-faith dialogues and activities related to Peace, Justice and Mutual Tolerance.


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  Topics: Afghanistan, Iraq
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Older Comments:
NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
Well Umm Muhammad, I can assure you that had you asked me why I'm here, I would have told you. ;)

When I post my comments, I speak only for myself. There are no conspiracies or hidden agendas behind my comments. I say what I believe when I say it and that's that. I have no evangelical illusions about changing people's hearts and minds. Nor am I here to attack or terrorize Muslims. After all, who am I to be able to scare 1 billion people into submission? Besides, even if I could do it I wouldn't because of my cultural aversion to bullies. And I'm well aware of how much of the Muslim world views us having lived in a Muslim country, so I'm not here to learn how Muslims think or how strongly they believe.

As to why I do say these things, I do it because I believe it's important that these things be said in public. If I find someone with whom I can have a genuine dialogue, that would be great. But I'm currently working on the presumption that most Muslims outside the U.S. aren't ready to hear the things I say.

For example, I've noted that many Muslims here react negatively whenever I say that there is no excuse for terrorism. Not that this is a radical idea from a Muslim perspective, for many Islamic scholars said essentially that this is consistent with your Quran. But for some reason, many Muslims here and outside this website strongly object when applying this principle to the Palestinians. Why this is, I cannot fathom at this time.

There's actually more than this, but there's not enough space. ;)
2004-04-06

UMM MUHAMMAD FROM USA said:
Well said Zinedine. Impressive booklist, mashaAllah. I am American and I have yet to read Noam Chomsky but hopefully I will be able to put some of his books on hold at the library.

Well Nick Cameron is a very curious subject. I have alot of strange ideas about who he could be.
I think sometimes certain groups plant people in other certain groups and websites to get a feel for
1. How the believers think
2. How strong they are
3. Can they cause confusion or mayhem?
4. Can they change members ideas and
influence the group.

Also sometimes I wonder what tactics they use to catch these so called "terroist".
Sometimes I will read in the paper how somebody infiltrated a "terroist" group or went to a "radical" Muslim with ideas on how to do terroist acts.

I wonder how any one could fall into a trap like that.
But I'm sure they have all kinds of ingenious methods such as people who say the " respect" Islam.
2004-04-06

NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES said:
Why is everyone picking on me? I'm really not so bad once y'all get to know me. As far as why I called myself "the Dajjal", it was to mock those Muslims here who have accused me of being evil and such. Trust me when I say that I don't truly consider myself the dajjal, because I'm a nice guy and according to your teachings the dajjal is not.
2004-04-06

ZINEDINE FROM MOROCCO said:
Salaamu alaikum,

Continues from past comments:

The ideals of Mass democracy & Islam are beautiful ideals but they never saw life except during the leadership of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) & Imaam Ali and Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman & Umar Ibn Abdel Azeez. As far as democracy is concerned it has unfortunately always been an elite democracy. Most leaders and scholars of different backgrounds are corrupt. World leaders, scholars fall into two deadly sins: temptation and fear. It just does not help that the masses are usually cattle like as Montesque described them. They helplessly wait for their corrupt governments to do everything for them when they should sometimes take matters in their own hands & influence decision makers in humanity's favor. In the words of the Lebanese author Jibran Khalil Jibran: "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country".

The three groups have not made sincere efforts to change & that reminds me of what Allah said in the Holy Qur'aan: "Allah does not change the situation of a people until they change from within". This Quranic verses rhymes well with the messenger of Allah's statement (pbuh): "Laysa l'imaanu bitamanni wala bittahalli wa lakina l'imaana ma waquara fi lqualb wa saddaquahu l'amal" meaning a true belief is not what you claim to be but to confirm your words with action.

Moreover, we Muslims must not take war criminals like Bush etc as our awlia' (patrons) because Allah clearly prohibited it: "God forbids you not from dealing justly and lovingly with those who have not fought you on account of your religion or expelled you from your homes. He prohibits you from taking as patrons only those who waged war against you on account of your religion, expelled you from your homes, and aided one another to expel you. Whosoever takes them as patrons are certainly wrongdoers." Al-Mumtahina, 60:8-9.
Allah knows best!!!
I wish I had more time to write & may Allah
forgive my shortcom
2004-04-05

ZINEDINE FROM MOROCCO said:
Salaam brothers & sisters,

Ahmed Asgher, Hudd D'Alhamd, Ahmed, Deano, Umm Muhammad, Yahya Begum, Abdul Mubeen, Akbar Khan & Acklima e I am sorry if I forgot any other valuable commentator in this list did you notice that Nick Cameron the arrogant & ignorant previously stated that he respects Islam yet calls himself the Nick "the Dajjal" Cameron. Abdullah Hakim is a sold out traitor plain & simple! I cannot believe that most Americans don't read Noam Chomsky & Edward Said's books but indulge in watching Reality TV. Political & military prostitute tax payers why don't you start first with knowing the difference between Elite democracy & Mass democracy as it was understood by the Greek philosophers not the American slave owners...may be you can start by reading some of Jean Jacques Rousseau books say "The Social Contract" then read Noam's Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent" & "Hegemony or Survival" then read Edward Said's "Orientalism" then once you start knowing the difference between right & wrong then read the Holy Qur'aan translation by one of your own scholars that is T.B. Irving; John's Esposito's "Islam, the straight path"; read Imaam Ali's "Nahjul Balagha" to give you an idea about Islam's early history & schism then read "Ma'thurat Hassan Albanna" then Syed Qutb's "Milestones" & Abul A'la Almawdudi's "Towards understanding Islam" to understand modern Muslim movements especially the Muslim brotherhood; Salafia books "Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab's life" to understand the Taliban mentality; the Talmud to understand Israel's Orthodox Jews & Zionist appartheid. Add to that "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" that all came true & the Talmud racist statements i.e. "the gentiles are the donkies that Elohim created for us so that we can ride them and whenever a donkey brays we should ride the next one". By the way Nick & Abdullah Hakim believe it or not you two are the Zionist's donkies that don't bray so they will keep riding you until you bray...continues below:
2004-04-05

NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
Dialogue with a suicide bomber is not necessarily impossible. As recent news reports from Israel about the boy who almost blew himself up demonstrated, the proper negotiation tactics can convince even someone bent on suicide to lay down his bomb. To me there is no shame in surrendering if the alternative is suicide, for life is one of God's most precious gift to us. I can only hope that all Palestinians will come to understand this, for love is stonger than hate.
2004-04-03

SALEEM FROM USA said:
Democracy is not the issue.
Nobody wants IRAQ to be a democratic country.
That is for the people by the people.

The issue is to rule and govern the world. In this New world order.
And to find out what to do and what not to do.
Its an experiment on try and error basis and whoes results will help the future Nation building to get the formula. We know what are the results we want but we need to get the best easy cheap procedure.

First you try and do what you have done before.i.e., what was done to the Natives in America and what was done to Japan and Turkey. Not to forget Latin America.
North and South Korea etc...

What worked and what did not worked out.
Also the lesson learned in the war with Soviets in Afghanistan and the war of Vietnam.

Its a combo of all the above. That we are seeing nowdays. And should expect to see in the future.


2004-04-03

DBOW FROM UK said:
How do you have a dialogue with a suicide bomber? You don't, and unless you want to live your life in fear of them you have to react against them. There are efforts by the US, Palestinians and Israeli's to carve out a peace settlement, or at least there have been, but everytime a suicide bomber detonates himself inside civilian territory Israel has to react against it. The Americans are not blind or unsympathetic to the Palestinians, and are eager to start a peace process to find common ground, but I think there would a lot more support for the Palestinians if they were to use a proper diplomatic process.
2004-04-02

CHARLES JACKS FROM USA said:
I think the basic assumption of this article: that the US is actually trying to create democratic governments in Afghanistan and Iraq has no basis in fact. I would argue that the actions, not words but actual actions, indicate the US does not intend either Afghanistan or Iraq to have viable governments much less ones based on the concepts of self determination and the mutual consultation ("govern yourselves through mutual consultation") of a democratic government.

Consider that the "president" of Afghanistan is known in the area as the "Mayor of Kabul" while the war/drug lords of the formal northern alliance are known as governors and each have greater incomes and military strength than the "central government". The central government has finally realized that it is impotent and can do nothing, while the US has left the governors to execute the "anti drug" efforts.

In Iraq the free and open press necessary for a democracy has been censored and a "liberating force" has so little regard for the lives of those they are liberating that they refuse to count how many they have killed. And in doing so have shown no effort in policing the activities of the liberators. The resentment over the unregulated tactics has lead to behavior unbecoming any society much less Muslims.

And while they say they can't run elections in either country without a census, countries in Africa have had elections sans census by the simple expediency of dipping a finger into a bottle of ink to prevent multiple voting.

But I am willing to admit error if someone could provide three examples of actions, not talk and not more easily attributed to some other motive like graft, that indicate the US actually intends to create viable governments of self determination unencumbered by preconditions.
2004-04-02

CHARLES JACKS FROM USA said:
I think the basic assumption of this article: that the US is actually trying to create democratic governments in Afghanistan and Iraq has no basis in fact. I would argue that the actions, not words but actual actions, indicate the US does not intend either Afghanistan or Iraq to have viable governments much less ones based on the concepts of self determination and the mutual consultation ("govern yourselves through mutual consultation") of a democratic government.

Consider that the "president" of Afghanistan is known in the area as the "Mayor of Kabul" while the war/drug lords of the formal northern alliance are known as governors and each have greater incomes and military strength than the "central government". The central government has finally realized that it is impotent and can do nothing, while the US has left the governors to execute the "anti drug" efforts.

In Iraq the free and open press necessary for a democracy has been censored and a "liberating force" has so little regard for the lives of those they are liberating that they refuse to count how many they have killed. And in doing so have shown no effort in policing the activities of the liberators. The resentment over the unregulated tactics has lead to behavior unbecoming any society much less Muslims.

And while they say they can't run elections in either country without a census, countries in Africa have had elections sans census by the simple expediency of dipping a finger into a bottle of ink to prevent multiple voting.

But I am willing to admit error if someone could provide three examples of actions, not talk and not more easily attributed to some other motive like graft, that indicate the US actually intends to create viable governments of self determination unencumbered by preconditions.

Their actions indicate the result will be to create civil war across Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan. Thereby giving an excuse to bring in "peace keepers" in a perpetual occupation.
2004-04-02

ABDULLAH HAKIM said:
SALAAM. DR. KHAJA REPEATS THE PROPAGANDA ABOUT THE "BLIND SUPPORT" THAT AMERICA GIVES TO ISRAEL. LET'S US TAKE AN OBJECTIVE LOOK AT THIS ISSUE AND WE WILL SEE THE FOLLOWING REALITIES:
1. ARAB NATIONS ARE GIVING BLIND SUPPORT TO PALESTINIANS WHICH IS ONLY ENCOURAGING PALESTINIAN HOSTILITY AND SUICIDE BOMBING
2. THERE IS TOO MUCH FOREIGN INTERFERENCE THAT PREVENTS AMERICA FROM AGGRESSIVELY PURSUING
PEACE. SYRIA SUPPORTS HAMAS AND HAS HAMAS OFFICES IN DAMASCUS AND THE BEKAA VALLEY. IRAN SUPPORTS THE LEBANON-BASED HEZBOLLAH. VARIOUS
RICH SAUDI FAMILIES SUPPORT DIFFERENT TERRORIST GROUPS AND FACTIONS IN THE WEST BANK AND GAZA. THERE ARE EVEN RICH ARAB FAMILIES IN MOROCCO WHICH SUPPORT PALESTINIAN TERRORISM. YOU NEVER HEAR OF ALL THIS BUT IT PREVENTS AMERICA FROM BROKERING A PEACE WHILE THE MUSLIM PROPAGANDA
CONDEMNS AMERICA FOR BEING ONE-SIDED IN FAVOR OF ISRAEL!! THERE ARE SERIOUS FINANCIAL INTERESTS WHICH PREVENT THE PALESTINIANS FROM WANTING PEACE WITH ISRAEL. IT IS NOT SURPRISING THAT ACCORDING TO THE FORBES MAGAZINE, PRESIDENT BUSH HAS A NET WORTH OF $15 MILLION AND YASSER ARAFAT HAS A NET WORTH OF $200 MILLION!! THATS HOW PROFITABLE TERRORISM IS FOR PALESTINIANS AND ITS LEADERS.
3. AMERICA SUCCESSFULLY BROKERED THE PEACE
BETWEEN EGYPT AND ISRAEL IN 1979 PRECISELY BECAUSE
THE WATERS WERE NOT MUDDIED BY FOREIGN INTERFERENCE SUPPORTING TERRORISTS. IT IS MISLEADING TO SAY THAT AMERICA IS ONE-SIDED WHEN AMERICA HAS MADE REPEATED BONA FIDE EFFORTS TO BRING ABOUT PEACE BETWEEN ISRAEL AND THE PALESTINIANS. NOT ONLY THAT SINCE 1979, AMERICA HAS PAID BOTH ISRAEL AND EGYPT $5 BILLION A YEAR
FOR 25 YEARS OR A TOTAL OF $125 BILLION OF THE HARD-EARNED MONEY OF AMERICAN TAXPAYERS. DR. KHAJA WHY DO YOU NOT MENTION THESE REALITIES.
THE ISLAMIC WORLD MUST DECIDE ONCE FOR ALL WHETHER IT WANTS PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST OR IS PREPARED TO COVER THE GLOBE WITH BLOODSHED AND MURDER ALL IN THE NAME OF ISLAM. BISMILLAH
2004-04-01

AHME ASGHER FROM BAHRAIN said:
Salam alaikum all brothers/sisters:

Please follow the link below to a recent report issued by the well-known RAND think-tank (which is funded by the US pentagon). Some of you may
already be familiar with it. The report is titled: "Civil Democratic Islam: partners, resources, and strategies".

http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/MR1716/MR1716.pdf

The report classifies Muslims to be of three types of traditionalists, two types of fundementalists, modernists, and two types of secularists. It identifies "marker issues" that would place a person or a grouping somewhere on the spectrum covering the different categories. These marker issues include democracy, human
rights, Islamic criminal penalties, hijab, husbands allowed to beat wives, polygamy, minorities, Islamic state, Sources, etc.

Another part of the report outlines strategies for US and Western governments and organisations to encourage the type of Muslims that the author wants to see triumph: modernists - naturally. She advocates an aggressive approach, coming out clearly in favour of such actions as the french government's banning of hijab (the report was published prior to that decision). She wonders aloud what the consequences would have been had the West adopted its "relaxed" approach of today
with "nationalist, socialist Arabs"!

The strategies proposed include among many others: Encourage journalists to investigate issues of corruption, hypocrisy, and
immorality in fundamentalist and terrorist circles; Encourage divisions among fundamentalists; Encourage the popularity and
acceptance of Sufism; Publicize traditionalist criticism of fundamentalist violence and extremism; Encourage disagreements between traditionalists and fundamentalists; etc.The report is not free from loaded statements, bias, generalisations, etc.

N.B. if anyone can find such a report concerning Jews' calssifications, I'd like to know!!??
2004-03-31

AKBAR KHAN FROM CANADA said:
Inter Press Service uncovered the remarks by Philip Zelikow, who is now the executive director of the body set up to investigate the terrorist attacks on the US in September 2001 - the 9/11 commission - in which he suggests a prime motive for the invasion just over one year ago was to eliminate a threat to Israel, a staunch US ally in the Middle East.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/
FC31Aa01.html


The mouthpiece chosen to say the truth, comes out saying that Israel's protection was the main reason for Iraq's invasion, but fails to take a decisive position by making a statement against the Zionist state, or for it. All this statement will do, is when interpreted by the public, especially many Americans, will see Zelikow's statement about Israel, as something unimportant..this is because well, on a scale of 0-10, he sits on number 5...which makes him neutral in the eyes of hte public - interpretation, his comments are of no concern. Now the Zionist lobbyists come in and say, blah blah blah anti-semitism this blah blah...so the public says, no way we are not! So the typical American begins to believe that Israel is just trying to protect itself and its' 4th largest nuclear armament in the world from it's "nasty Arab neighbours!" OF COURSE!! wow u Uncle Sam Americans are so smart...ignorance IS bliss, I understand now.

When something becomes unbareable for them to conceal any longer (lies of WMD, Iraq~Al-Qaeda link), they create a mouthpiece which says the truth of the situation, but is instead flip flopped and turned around into a "theory" or "concept" or "false accusation" by an individual instead of being considered as testimony in court against the crimes of the Republican Bush Administration -


Condoleeza Rice has "Conned us Left to Right"
2004-03-31

DANA WAWANDA FROM INDONESIA said:
Assalamu'alaikum
Democracy is full of lies, Islam will never fit with democracy, yes we have syura but it's not democracy, US religion isn't Christ, jews, Islam, Budhaism, Hinduism or else but Democracy. Their church is Democracy. Why muslims are so blind or stupid on this? Democracy is the only way for US to strengthen its monopoly in middle east and muslim world. is there any muslim's country with democracy living peacefully? I don't think so. Democracy eliminates Qur'an and Sunnah Rasolullah, it's obvious. Dont your remember what happen with FIS in Aljazair? and PAS in Malaysia? So it's time for us to return with The Prophet way back in Madina time, it's Immamah or Khilafah System. Some khalifah might have lead in wrong ways but they still put shariah and Sunnah on TOP of all.

Wassalamu'alaikum
2004-03-31

S. KASHIF HAQUE FROM USA said:
Salaam aleikum,

A very shoddy article both in written style and substance. What ..(author) who wrote this lousy article should do is:
a) pick up an elementary book on U.S. relations in the Muslim World or even Latin America for that matter, i.e. basic books by Noam Chomsky, Chalmers Johnson, or some British writers who write an excellent critique of actual American motives vs. ideals espoused for domestic consumption, best represented by this quote:

"We have about 60% of the world?s wealth but only 6.3% of its population. In this situation we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity. We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford today the luxury of altruism and world benefaction. We should cease to talk about such vague and unreal objectives as human rights, the raising of living standards and democratisation. The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better."

- George Kennan [Director of Policy Planning U.S.State Dept.]

b) The writer should try and acquaint himself in basic Islamic terminology, especially in regards to *how* and *why* the shari'ah is to be implemented rather than parroting what is seen on U.S. media.

Lastly, i find it ironic, that in contrast to this slavish toned article written by a Muslim, the very next article posted on iViews by a Non-Muslim by Robert Higgs, shows more depth and insight on the very same issues no less.

salaam aleikum,
s. kashif haque
2004-03-31

DEANO FROM UK said:
U.S. Efforts for Democracy Surely you jest ! No nation has brought more chaos and terror to the world than the US in the last half century.
To expect brainwashed lemmings like the american public to comprehend the facts is an exercise in futility. "Miss america," ... you deserve no better than bush.
2004-03-31

YAHYA BERGUM FROM USA said:
Well, if someone was seeking a just resolution to the Palestinian/Israel conflict, perhaps the following article might be worth a look. Insha'Allah.

Probe finds $10 million in payments to lobbyist
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4627413

Assalamo alaikum; Shalom Aleichem; Peace be unto you
2004-03-31

NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
CH, excellent point! The PA recently exposed itself as a sponsor of child abuse terrorism, which many responsible members of he media have been claiming for years. And what makes this even more tragic is that so many in the Muslim world go beyond just standing by while such atrocities take place, but go so far as to endorse and even praise such abuse of their own children. But such is a natural consequence of the breakdown of morality in the Muslim world.
2004-03-31

YOUSAF AHMED FROM USA said:
So what is it exactly you're proposing when you mention that we need to bypass the leaders of the Middle East and tap into the masses directly, and then following it up by welcoming the framing of constitutions in Afghanistan and Iraq? I read that as an insinuation legitimizing the policy of "regime change" and bulldozing of governments whenever they don't conform to the western ideals of democracy. That, I am afaid, does not seem like a viable solution if presented as such. Change must come from within. It will never hold in the long-run if imposed from the outside. If by bypassing these leaders you meant reaching out to the people using other means such as the media, I'm afraid channels like CNN, MTV, and Fox News have only lost their credibility in that region in the years since the Persian Gulf war of 1991.

Yes, empowerment of the people is the solution, but that solution lies not in brandishing our military might and demanding of non-conforming governments to toe our line as the article seems to suggest. The solution lies in subjecting ourselves to the same norms of global justice which we expect from others. Great powers, just as great leaders, must lead from the front if they are to be remembered as such in the annals of history.
2004-03-31

SAYF UDEEN HUSAYN FROM USA said:
The only way for any so-called peace in the Muslim world is to rid the Muslim world of so-called Muslim "puppet leaders" who are at the mercy & loyalty of the kufrs, secondly, the destruction of the "false state" Israel as Prophet Muhammad(SAW) foretold would happen during the Last Days during the trials of the Dajjal. I pray that the Muslim Ummah gains much strenght and the Mahdi appears soon inshallah.
2004-03-30

CH FROM US OF A said:
You state in your article that the prevailing anti-American mood was "caused by the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and the unjust U.S. foreign policy toward the Palestinians". If I'm not mistaken there was a pretty anti-American "mood" prior to these events. If I remember correctly, we have had a number of attacks against our people and our interests for the past 20 or so years by some of the very people you are espousing we should "embrace". You later state that we should be more "even-handed" in demanding that Isreal comply with International laws and human rights. I think one would not have to look very far to see "children" being strapped with bombs to kill innocent civilians - if I'm not mistaken those were Palestinian; and last time I checked, doing such things were both illegal and slightly inhumane.
2004-03-30

AKBAR KHAN FROM CANADA said:
Hey look everyone, how typical, another American saviour to the world has come around, well hello Miss America... so you think that by brutally oppressing and murdering more innocent people in the world will provide a solution? Two wrongs do not make a right.

I praise Allah, not you or anything or anyone else, only He is worthy of praise.

YES we want you to leave the Middle East and let us deal with our situations ourselves, stop trying to be policewoman of the world. Aren't you satisfied enough by having your military troops and bases in over 185 countries already? Is there a limit to your hegemonic mentality?

Yes there is a Monster in power, his name is George W. Bush...he is a terrible tyrant. By the way, only by you entering Iraq have terrorists penetrated the borders and hidden themselves amongst the society, that is because of your "great work" of invading a country for no good reason. Anyway keep on coming up with excuses to invade Iraq such as linking Saddam with Al-Qaeda, because you never found those WMD's...we want you to keep your filthy democracy and your despicable societal values in your own country, and stick to improving your own country's well being before fixing others.

Are you never happy with the fact that you per capita consume half of the world's food and produce 2/3's of the world's garbage?

How many more Guantanamo Bay's do you plan on developing? How many murders of Iraqi civilians, by your administration and military, do you plan on supporting? So far it seems as if you are unsatisfied with the deaths of over 15,000 Iraqi's to date. How many more are you willing to murder...you know sooner or later, this number is going to surpass the number of Iraqi Kurds who were gased by Saddam. That would look good on your behalf wouldn't it?

BOttom line, stop acting like you know what is going on in Iraq, VIA your TV.

The most patriotic thing you can do is to question the actions of your own government.
2004-03-30

YAHYA BERGUM FROM USA said:
And why should I suppose that the rightly guided would number among the oppressors? Ilaihi raji'un. Wassalam.
2004-03-30

YAHYA BERGUM FROM USA said:
Actually, I am a little nervous about the sixth paragraph. I am not of the opinion that America should become some sort of an agency for pressuring other nation's governments to adopt specific policies. In my opinion, that sort of activity amounts to an act of war.

I think the best course of action would be to enable sovereign governments, which yield to the will of the people, to oppose concerns (sovereign or otherwise) which suppress the will of the people. If such governments endeavor to educate the people, so much the better.
2004-03-30

MISS AMERICA FROM USA BABY!!!!! said:
The US is trying to help the people who were being brutally oppressed and murdered! Do the people who bash this WONDERFUL country want SADDAM HUESSEIN as their leader? You should be praisinf and thanking us for removing a horrible and terrible tyrant from power and preventing him from taking more lives! Do you want us to leave the Middle East alone and let all the people there kill eachother off, and when there is a monster in power, killing endless counts of people, should we let him? If we had done nothing, and let Saddam and the terrorists kill more and more people, everyone would still complain, and say that we did nothing to protect the innocent! What do you people want from us??? Are you never happy????
2004-03-30

NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES said:
I didn't finish my thought. ;)

The reason why I believe in the first place that we need to win hearts and minds in the Muslim world is because it is only through doing so can we ensure that support for terrorism originating in the Muslim world ends. Military options can be effective for containment purposes, but true victory requires policies that go beyond containment. And ultimately, the onus is on the Muslim world to end extremism within its communities.
2004-03-30

SAIF FROM U.S.A said:
I would like to point out a few facts regarding the "noble" U.S intentions in bringing democracy to the Islamic world.
1) the repressive regimes in the region that the U.S wishes to replace with democracy, have persisted in the region due to U.S backing, take for example Egypt and Saudi Arabia.
2) the U.S has in fact worked against democracy in the region. Does the over-throw of the Mossadek government in Iran ring any bells.
3) let us not forget that the U.S. had no quams courting Saddam (has anyone seen the footage of Rumsfeld meeting Saddam) during the Iran-Iraq war during that period the chemical massacre of the kurds was met with luke warm criticism by the U.S. government.
4)The current war in Iraq, was a good ole' boy style southern lynching, Iraq and the Iraqi people are in this case the black man hanging from the tree, victim of the powerful blinded by anger and thirsty for revenge. Where are the WMDs?
5) Finally, how can you expect any good from a bunch of lying hypocrits like the current Bush administration. They lied about the WMDs in Iraq.
They protected the oil assets in Iraq and let the country go into utter chaos. They continue to back authoritarian regimes in the region. They continue to provide, weapons, moral and political support to the government of Israel, which continues to degrade and marginalize the Palestinian people.

Let us all join together in a global call for
Occupation Free Iraq and Palestine.
Let us pledge allegiance to Allah and let our guide be Mohammad(pbuh).

Peace
2004-03-30

ABDUL WAHHAB FROM RUSNYA said:
5:50 Do they then seek after a judgment of (the days of) ignorance? But who, for a people whose faith is assured, can give better judgment than Allah.

5:51 O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.



2004-03-30

AHMED ASGHER FROM BAHRAIN said:
A very good idea, this democracy. But pray tell me why is the US so concerned to bring democracy to Iraq and ME? why not say put as much resources into Myanmar/Burma or say other African states who are brutally at each others' throats?

Perhaps the article here at islamicity website may shed some light on my question: here http://www.ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=23083

The other question the writer ignores is the fact that America is run by the Zionist entity. They have certain designs and ME is their theatre. These two articles may explain more:
www.counterpunch.org/gaffney02042004.html
www.counterpunch.org/avnery04102003.html

As people of the ME, we have not asked American to come and save us! just as much as we never asked them to appoint stooges upon us who treat their subject, well, like subjects. The kings of the past used to rule their subjects as their slaves. Nothing has changed - Here is a piece of advice - no one needs your democracy and no one needs your self-appointed rulers. Let the people themselves figure it out. We are intelligent enough to figure it out, otherwise all this is an insult to our intelligence. It may take 50 years but thats alright. Europe took 200 years.

I whole-heartedly agree that if and when Palestinians are given fair justice then we may see a better world in ME, but don't hold your breath. As long as this mob of Zionist Likudniks rule America, we shall see more mayhem and bloodshed. Why do you think Bush is receiving Sharon this very moment - to discuss peace in Palestine but without any Palestinian representation! Such is their idea of peace and democracy, it is good for home consumption but not for export! and they will set up shops in our countries by force, even if we don't ask for it - but woe unto those who object - they are the terrorists!

After Allah, swt. my worldly hope is very much on the average American to take back his/her country and be a true force for good. Amen. Dreaming? may be?
2004-03-30

KASHIF SHAIKH FROM CANADA said:
Assalamua'alaikum,
Timely and aptly put. I pray the 'Democatric opposition of Palestine' party gains momentum in an honorable way.
Wassalam :o)
2004-03-30

AHMED FROM UK said:
This is bad comedy. The "Iraqi Council" is nothing but a new dictatorship in the making thanks to Uncle Sam.
2004-03-30

AKBAR KHAN FROM CANADA said:
This is how the United States of America is Manufacturing their "war on terrorism," by harassing American youth, Teenagers, university students! They are making unsolicited phone calls to their houses, sending them unsolicited e-mails, and bombarding them with commercials on television and radio - brainwashing them into joining the army as some great expedition where you travel the world and have a good time, and they even have the legal right to enter any classroom in any school in the USA at anytiem they wish under the laws of the U.S. constitution and the authority of the Pentagon, for them to go into the classrooms of young teenagers and hype them up into joining the the U.S. army.

They actually hire "recruiters" who scour the malls in search of young, fit teenagers, and even marijuana addicts, approach them and give them a deal, saying that if they agree to join the U.S. army, then they will provide them with a certain supply of Marijuana before they leave. WOW I was shocked to learn that the U.S. military goes to such lengths in order to find more soldiers to go fight in the 185 countries that U.S. soldiers are stretched out across today. To make unsolicited phone calls, like telemarketers, asking the mothers of young boys and girls if they can speak to them...where they then run through a shpeel of trying to convince these youngsters to join the army adn fight in illegal wars such as those undertaken in Iraq and Afghanistan, or the 50,000 U.S. troops sitting in the de-militarized zone between North and South Korea.

I should note that the Pentagon has ordered the U.S. Army to find almost 300,000 recruits by the end of this year alone!! That is how many recruits and reservists they will need in order to sustain their control and policing of the world.

To all you haters who visit this website, you can deny this, but the truth is that it is undeniable, as I watched with my own eyes, a spokesman for hte Pentagon admit to these practices.
2004-03-30

OMER ISHAQ FROM PAKISTAN said:
I will disagree with Dr Nazir on a few points presented by him in this article.
He has suggested that USA should demand constitutional reforms and other pre-requisites for democracy from the Muslim governments, however he has failed to mention the fact that in most of the cases democracy wouldgo against the interests of USA in these countries and that is the reason that USA has never seriously tried to work for democracy in Muslim countries. USA's support for dictators like Musharaf and Mubarak is a case in point.
Does the learned Dr really believe that America will support a government that Implements Sharia in Iraq, Afghanistan or Pakistan even if the overwhelming majority is in its favour?
He has also mentioned the role of NGOs in conducing social changes that will promote democracy.
What the Dr does not know is that majority of these NGOs are financed totally by American organizations whose idea of society is very different from that or ours.
Majority of the NGOs are filled up with feminists who want to force thier own concept of society onto the Islamic Society.
Recently a seminar was conduncted by SDPI (an NGO) in Islamabad on the practice of wearing Hijab, the conclusion drawn by this western sponsored NGO was that Hijab is not required by Islam and that it is a cultural and social practice without any religious grounds. These NGOs are working for secularization of Goverment, interest based economy and feminiist extremism, in other words all concepts antithetical to Islam.
The Dr has also mentioned, that the reason for the Muslim's hatred against USA is Israel, I would like to disagree. Israel is just part of the problem. The real reason is that USA stands against our ways of life, Establishment of Islamic system is currently the only socio-political threat to American Capitalistic system.
Let me remind the Dr that we are in a war of ideas against USA, and we must counter the ideas presented by USA by our ideas based on orthodox Islam.
2004-03-30

NICK CAMERON FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
The Israel-Palestinian issue is a bothersome issue, the type which is better addressed as an internal matter for Israel. Unfortunately, the author is probably right that the key to resolving our problems with the Muslim world is to facilitate a resolution to the Israel-Palestine conflict. In my opinion, the Muslim world has its priorities all wrong because of its fixation with Israel as opposed to other more pressing concerns facing their communities. But ultimately that's beside the point, because it seems to me that none of the help that America provides to the peoples of Muslim countries will win hearts and minds as long as the Palestinians remain restless.
2004-03-30

YAHYA BERGUM FROM USA said:
The success of previous occupations by various Allied forces resulted from harnessing the wisdom of the people, in my estimation.
2004-03-30