Does God need a police force?
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A most unwelcome part of the fallout of the vicious May 12 suicide bombings in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia was the firing of Jamal Khashoggi, editor-in-chief of the Saudi daily Al Watan. While it may never be known precisely why he was fired, many speculate it was due to the paper's increasingly vocal criticism of the Saudi Arabian religious establishment. The paper was especially critical of the Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, or so-called "religious police." This "religious police" has been accused by its critics of harassing Saudis for "un-Islamic" behavior. Recently, Al Watan reported that a man who was detained--with his children--for 12 hours after being caught smoking attempted to commit suicide.
In March 2002, a fire erupted in a all-girls school in Mecca, which killed 15. The March 14 2002 edition of the Saudi newspaper Arab News cited a report on the rescue effort by Mecca's Civil Defense Department which noted that religious police "intentionally obstructed the efforts to evacuate the girls. This resulted in the increased number of casualties." Why did they do this? Apparently because the girls were not properly dressed.
Arab News quoted Civil Defense officers as saying, "Whenever the girls got out through the main gate, [religious police] forced them to return via another." Officers also said that they saw three people beating girls who had evacuated the school without proper dress. Commenting on the incident, Hanny Megally, Executive Director of the Middle East and North Africa division of Human Rights Watch, said, "Women and girls may have died unnecessarily because of extreme interpretations of the Islamic dress code. State authorities with direct and indirect responsibility for this tragedy must be held accountable."
I could not agree more. Where did this concept of a religious police come from, anyway? The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) never had companions dispatched among the masses to see if they followed Islam's laws, measuring the length of men's beards or garments. No one beat anyone for laughing in Medina at the time of the Prophet. The Quran says, "There is no compulsion in religion" (2:256), and, in another verse, declares "O ye who believe! Guard your own souls: If ye follow (right) guidance, no harm can come to you from those who stray. The destination of all is to God. He will show you the truth of all that ye do" (5:105). God is not threatened when His servants sin against him, so why should we be? The Lord On High does not need a police force to make sure His servants live "Islamic" lives.
Having said all that, however, the truth is a bit more complex. Although God does not need a police force per se, it seems He wants one. Well, sort of. In the Quran, God told the angels He will place on earth a vice-regent, His representative, on earth: "Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: 'I will create a vicegerent on earth.' They said: 'Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?' He said: 'I know what ye know not'" (2:30). In this system, sovereignty belongs to God, and human beings will be agents of that sovereignty. Part of this task includes implementing (and enforcing) God's laws on His servants: a sort of, um, "police force."
So have I contradicted myself? Not at all. Islamic law, or Shari'ah, has general principles that must be established: protection of life, religion, lineage, intellect, and property. Every one of Islam's laws heralds back to one of these principles. Some Muslims, unfortunately, focus solely on enforcing that part of the Shari'ah that deals with personal morality and think this is how God's law is established on earth, and it has led to disastrous consequences.
Let us take the Taliban as an example. Whilst they were in power, "religious policemen" made sure men wore beards of a certain length, women were covered head-to-toe, and no one laughed in public, all in the name of "establishing God's law." Yet, women and girls were barred from working or going to school. Is this not an affront to God's law? Does this not violate the principle of protection of the intellect? Is not equality of men and women an essential aspect of Islamic law?
Going back to the girls' school fire in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, is not the preservation of life one of the utmost principles of Islamic law? Did not the Quran state that is someone saves a life, it is as if they have saved the lives of all of humanity (5:32)? Didn't the "religious police" officers violate this principle by barring the girls from exiting the burning school because they were not properly dressed?
In Nigeria, an Islamic court condemned a woman to death by stoning for adultery. This was despite the fact that she was not married at the time of the alleged sexual encounter, and thus, the punishment of stoning does not even apply. She received this sentence despite the fact that many Islamic scholars do not even accept pregnancy as a high enough burden of proof of sex out of wedlock. She was sentenced to death by stoning despite the fact that there were not enough witnesses to the alleged sexual encounter as required by Islamic law: the man in the case was released due to "lack of evidence." Is not due process an essential component of Islamic law?
I do not think God placed us on earth as his vice-regent solely to ensure men have beards and women wear "burqas". God made us His representative so that life, religion, lineage, intellect, and property be protected. Caliph Umar (God be pleased with him) showed us a just application of God's law when he suspended the punishment for theft during a time of extreme famine, because it is not just for the government to punish someone for theft out of want when the government could not provide for its citizens.
If Islamic law is established in a community that lacks clean water, then I believe the Shari'ah would demand that clean water facilities be established as the first priority. The gross misapplication of Shari'ah by some Muslims has its mischaracterization as a backward, barbaric system of government, doing enormous disservice to Muslims and non-Muslims alike. The Islamic scholars need to formulate a clear and present application of the Shari'ah that address the challenges of the world we live in today.
Hesham A. Hassaballa is a Chicago physician and columnist for the Independent Writers Syndicate. He is author of "Why I Love the Ten Commandments," published in the Book Taking Back Islam: American Muslims Reclaim Their Faith (Rodale).
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put no burden on any human being than it can bear.
When 'religious police'(as the author puts it) does right, no one remembers. When they do wrong, no one forgets.
No one is perfect, but we ought to be.
The point addressed in the Bulletin is put nicely, but I would suggest rephrasing it.
Not knowing about the real situation may result in wrong judgments!
May Almighty Allah reward you aboundantly (Ameen). I would appriciate your alternative to the Saudis'police. I do not see them as forcing people to practice Islam.
With the existence of the religious police, religious crime is not at its lowest, imagine if its disbanded. Alahikum Salam.
The prophecies of the Creator will have to come to pass. Nothing will be able to alter the GReat Plan Of The Great Planner.
Did He Not Say " In the beginning I will lead you,the I will send Prophets and Mesengers, Then Good Leaders, Good Kings, Good Governments, the I will Take away Man's Virtue one by one until I will Take away Shame.Understand, Why Would God Do so, becouse we are thankless, ingrate, selfish, hungry for power,loss inn our preoccupation with worldly gains,pitiless, uncaring, Forgot the message at our own peril. Therefore Ask God For the Patience to Accept the unacceptable as acceptable however much one disagree to agree.
No one should be subjected to compulsion, and that is very clearly commanded.
It is very sad to see man who has been created with limitations could beleive he is so great as to cause mischief. and desecrate what is consecrated.I have read the Message of the Creator as He send it To David, Moses, Jesus and To Mohammad(PBUH) and May God Be pleased with Them All, God Himself Is very Tolerant, why cant we?
First of all i would like to say Allah guides those who he wants to. You can't force somebody to do something which that person dislike. You can tell them then is up to them what they choose. There is alot of people out there who are exterimist and normal among those they think they are scholor or prophet. See you have to explain an individual why this not right according to Allah's commandment. You have to explain them logically and islamically. For example drinking alchol explain the roots the effect the cause and the result both mentally phiscally and islamically. If you explain them these ways a person will never insallah astray. See when you tel an individual not to do something just dont do it it doesn't make sense you have let them know logically. Most important point is that when a person is forced to stop to do something they like unfortunattly they committ suicide. Is very important that a person must explain it like Harun yahya does logically according to quaran and sceincetifically.
i hope my comments does make a differece.
Thank you
this is the kind of trash we need to seperate ourselves, may this man rot in hell
It is also heart-warming to read some positive comments about the Taliban. The world does not always get the true picture. I wish everybody who have had direct experience with the Taliban would come forward and paint the real picture for all of us who are still in the dark over the matters raised by certain quarters for apparent reasons.
May Allah SWT forgives us if we are in the wrong and show us the true path. InsyaAllah.
I agree with this thought that we must put Islam in a proper concept and mentality that Prophet Muhammad pbuh had shown us. I may be wrong, but I always suspect that people who does not like Islam to be exist as the ruling law of the world will always find ways to discredit Islam and muslim. They separate muslim from the real principle of Islam. They upheld "symbols" of Islam (beard, burqa, stoning to death, etc) but replace the "system" of zakah, baytul maal, khilafah etc by capitalism, usury, interest, democracy and so on. This is obviously to weaken muslims by taking out our strength, replace it with rubish, and even more emerge contradictions in shariah as to divide muslims and make us fight each other. The result is we will be weakened more and more, while they can easily steal our treasure of unity, wisdom, knowledge, wealth (oil & other resources). Please Brothers and Sisters, do not be trapped by our enemy. Satans will always make us use "halal" means (shariah) to do "haram" deeds (innocent killing, unjust verdict, etc). They will always try their best to make us see all of these are wonderful. Please let us always remind each other of TRUTH and be PATIENT, or otherwise we all will be LOOSERS (Quran Surah al 'Ashr).
My suggestion is learn our Islam with all our open mind and heart. Hopefully Allah will guide us to the straight path. The truth is not in our knowledge nor opinion, but deep inside our heart. Behavioural approach of Education will be more effective in producing obedient generation. Al Imam Yusuf Qardhawi in his book of Islamic Society in Qur'an and Sunnah wrote that there had never been ever sharia police forces in the period of Prophet pbuh & his companions. However many judges asked for early retirement because of the lack of criminal reports! We all have two "policemen" beside us all the time, angels Raqib and 'Atid. Just tell everybody to beware of their uninterrupted watch !!!
Wassalamu 'alaykum Wr. Wb.
Islam is the absolute and only answer for mankinds illnesses, and to mock the Taliban, who's only aim and purpose was to create a true Islamic Country is to mock those who (in my opinion) did good.
We have been foretold that those who will do good, will be seen as bad.....and for those who do bad, will be seen as good.
Fiman-Allah
Yasir Mirza
2.WHO HAS NOT DONE A SELF ANALYSIS.PITIFULLY DOES NOT UNDERSTAND OR REALIZE GOD.HE DOES NOT FIRST OF ALL UNDERSTAND WHO GOD IS,THEREFORETHE QUESTION OF HIM UNDERTANDING GOD'S WORDS DOESN'T ARISE LET
ALONE INTERPRETING IT.
3.WHO WANTS A GOD TO SUIT HIS WAY OF LIFE.
4.WHO DOES NOT WANT TO FOLLOW ANY ETHICAL SYSTEM OR MORAL PERSUASION IN LIFE NOR DOES HE WANTS TO ADVANCE PROOF OR LOGIC OR REASON FOR HIS BELIEFS.
5.WHO LIVES IN A SOCIETY WHICH HAD MADE SINNERS OUT OF EVEN PRIESTS LET ALONE THE THE COMMON MAN.
6.WHO WANTS TO ADVOCATE ALL THAT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAM.
7.WHO IS AN ADVOCATE OF A GROUP THAT CALLS HUMANS AS RATIONAL ANIMALS HENCE CONTEND WITH LIVING A ANIMAL LIFE.
DISGUSTING
We're witnesses that the 'police' don't harass anyone on the bases of the lengths of their beards, clothes, or whether they laugh or smile. If the piece desires to reject hadiths on beard, lengths of dress, or attack those who think that these are Islam's priorities, why not go straight to the point?
Your interpretation of 2:256 may be wrong. Islam does not force people to believe it. Non-Muslims and Bushmen do force people to their beliefs. However, one cannot subscribe to a belief or membership to any worthwhile organization and be free to behave anyhow. There're, indeed there must be, some rules that ought to be observed and, oftentimes, enforced. Otherwise, the organization, et cetera, exist only in name! Ethical systems rely on moral persuasion. A state, which Islaam is, must and does go further. The institution of Hisbah has been so well discussed by our 'ulamaa than this comment has space for.
Does God need a police force? I've no authority to speak for Him. However, I know that, because He is Just and does not rely on His Eternal Knowledge to judge and punish anyone, He has angels who keep records of our deeds and who will serve as witnesses. That's the requirement of any just system having standards, laws and prescribed punishments, as does Islam.
There's a hadith on the correct interpretation of 5:105. Tell our visitors about it.
God is not threatened when His servants sin against Him, but we are--and it could be fatal to Islam, our lives, ansab, uqul, wealth and
Maa salaam.
We're witnesses that 'the religious police' don't harass anyone on the bases of the lengths of their beards, clothes, or whether they laugh, grin, or smile. If the piece desires to reject the ahaadeeth on beard, lengths of clothes, or attack those who think that these are Islam's priorities, why not go straight to the point?
Your interpretation of 2:256 may be wrong. Islam does not force people to believe it. Other religions and Bushmen do force people to their beliefs. However, one cannot subscribe to a belief or membership to any worthwhile organization and be free to behave anyhow. There're, indeed there must be, some rules that ought to be observed and, oftentimes, enforced. Otherwise, the organization, et cetera, exist only in name! Ethical systems rely on moral persuasion. A state, which Islaam is, must and does go further. The institution of Hisbah has been so well discussed by our 'ulamaa than this comment has space for.
Does God need a police force? I've no authority to speak for Him. However, I know that, because He is Just and does not rely on His Eternal Knowledge to judge and punish anyone, He has angels who keep records of our deeds and who will serve as witnesses. That's the requirement of any just system having standards, laws and prescribed punishments, as does Islam.
There's a hadith on the correct interpretation of 5:105. Tell our visitors about it.
Islam enjoins on us to promote virtue and prevent vice and that if an Islamic nation sees it necessary to have a group of people tasked with that, I think it is alright, be they Police or whatever. And if there is a problem with the established system the ummah must seek to correct it but not to throw it to the dogs with comments like "Does God need a police force?"
I agree with you.
wasalam
sidra
Sincerely, at first I am in different to this atticle beacause I don't know the genuine purpose of this, whether it is for the propagation of Islam or Anti-Islam.
Let me begin by saying that rosulu Lahi (SAW) said we muslims are the best of mankind because we will enjoin good deed among ourselves and forbid bad, how else can we forbid bad if their is no Religious Police.
I also have an inate feelings that these atticle is sponsored by the western world, they have corrupted world all over by introducing human right against God injuction e.g. In Nigeria today, girls are walking half naked in the street of Lagos under the freedom and priviledges provided by Human Right. What is human right compare with God Injuction, how else can we observe justice without Sharia, how can we prevent bad influence. let us face reality at the time of prophet if our ladies are dressing like this and people behaving lousely in this manner prophet would have castigated them because one bad apple spoil the whole basket. and he (SAW) preached against influence of Sayatin.
May God forgive all, we need to remember that to maintain sanity amidst western world devilish influence we need law enforment agent, by the way while do we need civil law enforcement agent? and not religiuos police when religion encompases all human endevour
Thank you, God bless
Solu ala nobiyu Karrem (SAW)
What exactly is the definition of a "Salafi" anyway? I ask because ever since I visited one of their websites (about two years ago) I have thought of myself of one of them - at least in my heart - and to a certain extent in what I say - and even in some of the things I do - Alhamdulillah.
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu.
--Yahya Bergum
May you have peace and blessings. Ameen.
That's enough for now...my head is about to explode...
The article is an excellent presentation highlighting the flaws of human interpretation and fanatacism.
God does not need a police force. As Islam takes hold globally, the values taught in the Scriptures will be enforced in the domestic environment, and the religious and communal environments.
Whilst the fundamentalists are endevouring to prevent the incideous and soul destroying values so well accepted in the west, and those Islamic states that are only Islamic in name, they do compromise personal freedom.
That a man wear a beard, or a woman the burkah should be a matter of individual preference for adults (23+). Community values should determine how children should be presented to her or his neighbours.
Look about you to all the nations, and see who is obsessed with vanity. ie. cosmetics, and jewellery. I suggest if you are in community where cosmetics and jewellery are considered acceptable, you are living amongst lost souls.
With regard to the vice-regent referred to in the article, I believe the Prophet Zul-Qarnain is the vice-regent to whom Muhamad refers when he says on behalf of the Archangel Gabriel Al-Ahzab (the Confederates) "O Prophet! Truely We have sent thee as a Witness, a Bearer of Glad Tidings, and a Warner."
As it happens, there are numerous Islamic nations whose governments, including the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Palestinian Authority, the exiled Iraqi government with whom I have had personal contact, along with the local mosque and some of its members. The forementioned all are aware I claim to be Zul-Qarnain, and the three 'missions'described in Al-Kahf (the Cave).
All praise first belongs to Allah, Aum
Also, just because some people do something, justifying their deeds with Islam, then unless there is evidence to back up their actions, they are not necessarily correct.
The topic is quite insensitive. God does not *need* us to do anything for Him, but we do. He does not need us to follow Islam, but we do, for attaining Paradise.
The fire in Makkah was not solely due to the religious police, but also because of the poor standards of the building. Even the HRW stated that they *may*, and not certainly have, played a role, so there is a need of thorough, transparent investigation, before pointing fingers. As for the Taliban, the author chooses to rely on unfounded statements. The reality is, as even confirmed by non-Muslims, there was education for females, but limited, due to civil war and sanctions (courtesy of the West). The Taliban had promised this situation to remain temporary. The case in Nigeria is just one being happily exploited by many to defame Islam. If the verdict is wrong, that doesn't mean Islam's rules are too. This doesn't really relate to the topic, though.
We take pride in our religion as a way of life, not something to be practiced on Fridays. Following Islam is not an issue of personal freedom, but an obligation on the Ummah. Evil must be first corrected by the hand, then, tongue, then deemed evil by the heart, and there is not a grain of faith in a person after that. So, an Islamic leader will be questioned re: his people, so he must guide them, like parents do with their children and prevent them even from small sins, which eventually destroy a person and society. Just like traffic fines force people to obey the rules, the police can make people obey the laws of Islam and they must not be rebuked, unless their means are Islamically faul
May the most high be pleased with all of us.
The document was wright in my opinion .We live in a time when Muslims are surfing from the absence of righteous leadership among other elements of success.
It seems to me as if a great drought has come over us .A drought that is so great it endangers our whole existence . I see the shadow of famine laying his arms over us . We stand there warped in our own garments choking in our own blood all we do is stair ...
Water is the substance of life with out it no creature could survive nor grow so is the spiritual aspect of religion .with out it religion turns in to unexplained lows and regulations sharia becomes restrictions to freedom or in the best scenario an old custom.
We cannot force people to practice the laws of sharia if we didn't establish belief in there hart . that can only happen through the practice of the individual . a practice that is not only limited to sharia but to the spiritual aspect of our religion . through the following of the most perfect example of all the medicine of the harts and its light Mohammed .
That in my opinion is the drought we are suffering from now it is a drought in our spirit .
I always remember the story narrated by our beloved prophet .it concerns the coming back of Jesus
long have I pondered on the sours of this hadieth wondering about the meanings laying between these words.till I read in the quran that Jesus was called the spirit of Allah.. connecting that to our prophets hadeith about how we as Moslems will follow the foot steps of the sons of Israel . I understood that Islam will be revived again through the resurrection of the spiritual life under the light of Mohammed's great sharia.
My point is that Islam cannot be separated sharia and tarika .it is a holistic vision of life a complete system that has to be applied .
The danged comes when only one part of it is practiced for the spiritual path also has to be found on the bases of sha
1. The Religious Police will only arrest less powerful people and the 'miskins' of poor countries. So the Saudi prices and Sheikhs who engage in hideous crimes such as rape, murder, and fornication , embzzlement etc. are left untouched. Also left alone are Westerners. (see point 2)
2. Sharia laws are selectively enforced in Saudi society. The harshest penalties are imposed on citizens of poor coutries (Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Phillipines etc.) and Western nationals are allowed to go free. Just read up the recent case of the Pakistani who was executed for smuggling contraband and the case of a Canadian and UK citzen who were pardoned by the Royal family after commiting murder.
The purpose of any police force/law is to apply justice equitably. If this is not the case, then no matter whether sharia/ Morality police is applied or not, Islamically there is no justice in that societly.
I think it is the duty of Islamic Government to enforce Islamic Laws and to enforce these laws but I agree that extremicity in anything is bad and also against Islam.The incident is highly tragic and if this is true that girls were not allowed to exit because of their dress, this is not Islam but due to lack of teaching and preaching of Islam.When there is a fear of death even alcohol and pork is permissible (under unavoidable circumstances).My sympathies to the families who lost their children.
May God guide us to the right path and give us true knowledge and wisdom of Islam
Nurul Hoda
27-Aug-2003
When Allah says he is making the Humans as his Khilafas on earth, what do you think He meant? That you be on earth and do as you wish? Certainly not! So what is the problem here? Allah's laws must be seen to be respected. And for those who think Saudi Arabia is not an Islamic State, they've to see their psychiatrists. In an Islamic State Allah's law governs and MUST be imposed. Just like I cannot live in the United States and break their laws so also if you have to be in Saudi no law should be broken by anybody.
I would like to add however that IF the author is right about allowing the poor ladies to die in the fire simply because they have no Islamic dress code, it is abhorring and against the same law of Allah, as two wrongs cannot make a right. But thae author did not substantiate the allegation well so it should be taken for what it is.
Allahu Akbar.
Those police men do a lot of harm to Islam. When we heard about the school fire and preventing girls from leaving, I was so angry, because here in the U.S. people have already their extreme views about Islam as well as Muslims, and then the girls were burned alive by the police. That is a huge crime in Islam as we all( the Muslims) know. For how long, one thinks is this unIslamic behave is going to keep one happening.
Wassalamu Alaikum.
I don't want tell Police do the wrong or right things but I want to tell some things Woman must cover her body until foot and cover her face all things because this may protect from the People those who have illminded. This already I had experience in my life. If U need I will give some incident relating to this
Wassalam
Mahmood Ibnu Muhammad Abdul Khader
This article is filled with lies and misconceptions. The Saudi police never prevented anyone from leaving the building. And the Nigerian woman case was later dismissed because they didn't have four witnesses. If anyone wants to check the facts of these two cases can easily visit other Islamic websites. This is another case of someone trying to discredit Islam and the shariah. The author of this article is clever in presenting not just one side but repeating lies. I invite anyone one to find out the true facts.
Wassalam
When might a school-of-thought become a sect? Perhaps, might it become so, when a Muslim is compelled to comply with the "interpretations" of a school-of-thought's respective scholars? After embracing Islam (as Allah's only religion) and accepting the Quran (as the last of Allah's books), if a Muslim does not also come to accept certain "widely-accepted interpretations" then should that Muslim be (properly) considered the member of a sect? And (surely!) Tafsir is a blessing.
Is the "common rope" to which the Ummah is supposed to cling defined by the "political realities" of the times in which a Muslim lives? If so, by whom might the correct methods of "holding onto the rope" be (properly) determined - in accordance with the seemingly most prevalent "political realities" of the times? And (surely!) Allah's instruction - to cling to the "common rope" - is a blessing and a mercy.
In whatever I might happen to say, the truth is always Allah's but the errors are mine (alone). I am grateful for being corrected, for the sake of Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala).
May Allah, al Rahman, al Rahman, reward each for their good deeds and intentions. I give thanks to Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) for comprehending to the extent Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) wills that I comprehend. Ameen.
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu.
--Yahya Bergum
I think the Muslim World has lost their mind better yet their spirit. This unjust interpataion of Islamic Law reminds me of a former nation the Children of Israel whom before Isa(Jesus) implemented a harsh interpetation of Judiac Law. We need to implement the spirit of the Law first. Meaning we must have an Islamic state of mind before we have and Islamic State. Islam has to be accepted in the hearts of the people before implementation of Islamic Law. Further more practice like Islamic police was never done during the Prophet(pbuh)time. Such implementation of Islamic Law quickly become oppression. Because it becomes somebodies job to look for what is wrong. Then quickly punished them for any infraction(Islamic Police). I disagree with any society the punishes for every little religious infraction. It does no good to the people breaking the religious laws. People should call them to Islam and its religious laws in order recieve the full blessing.
Seqondly, the fired editor-in-chief is a SECULAR ideoligist who is against the shariah basically.
Thirdly, I CHALLENGE the editor of this very poor article to proove that either the Saudi religious police or the Taliban police had arrested anyone because of laughing in public. this is NON SENCE and I cant think of a muslim who believe such thing.
Finally, i think this article will really make the non muslims laughing at our Ummah.
government that has not respect for the women population,
women who are their mothers, daughters, wives, widows
and intellects in the different fields of todays world. Shame
of the Saudi Government who can purchase modern
warfares but enforce their own laws on women and call it
Gods Laws. If extremists believe that they can thicken their
book to Heaven by killing innocent women, children, men
and all the intellects in the name of SHARIA, they better
revise their thinking. WHAT DOES SHARIA SAY IN REGARD
TO PURCHASING MODERN WAR HEADS, JETS, CARS,
BUILDING PALACES......While ignoring the poverty stricken
population of the world.
1) In islam its there that u have to make your child offer his salah regularly at a age of ten if not beat him. It is also a harsh method but its there in islam so have to follow it.
In some cases i agree like that about the school fire. But your general idea about it is not correct. At the time of prophet muhammed(saws)there weren't any police force because at that time the imaan of sahabah was far more much greater then the muslims of today! They didn't indulge in any kind of bad things. In saudi arabia they have just imposed a proper civil dress for womens. If they dont then holy country of saudi arabia will be like america "everywhere adultery".
the ruler should understand that religion is high priority than retaining the power. Most of us are aware of the ayat" there is no comp....." but we do things to meet our means. we have to bring a change in ourselves.
allah hafiz
Also any Islamic State applying shiria Law would only have "Gods Police"
This article is very poor and detrementale to Muslims, as it gives examples of things which would not be allowed by any true Muslim.
All the example have probably been picked up from western media sources which always try and put Islam down. There are always two side to a story.
First of all, what is writer's aim behind this article?
In USA, where he lives, there is no 'police force'. He is living there with nonmuslims, watching half naked men and women, watching homosexuals and lesbians and he talks (writes) about 'police force'.
I think the writer of this article just wants to show to nonmuslims how smart he is when he reject Taliban or Saudian 'police force' thinking that nonmuslims will like him more, saying: 'He's good one.'
Also writer should know that there is a big secular campaign against Saudi Arabia to ban everything Islamic, so they are attacking everything with pro-Islamic sign.
Police force, Allah Almighty doesn't need police it is true. But we should know that people need it. And who are 'police force'? Human beings like us, they make mistakes just like us, and they are not perfect. If that is true, about Saudi girls who died 'because' of 'police force', well Allah the Almighty is a Judge.
Today we find Muslims who are smiling to enemies of Islam, sitting with them eating, having banquets, but in the same time they are spitting on their brothers who try to make something for Allah. So if you are there sitting in your house garden, having barbeque, far away from Muslim countries, than send this article to your president George Bush, he will award you for sure.
(I apologize for my bad English, but I'm still a Muslim)
Greed,and Guilt, make humans distructive.
One thing is clear though, this religion is right and just no matter how some people who beleive in behave, make no mistake about it. After all Islam is the fastest growing religions in the world. It is Allah's mercy that churches are for sale and more Masjids are bought day after day. May Allah guide us to the right path.
I would like to say that you are absolutly wright about the consept of "God's police force". It is maybe the reason why muslims can't get together as one force, because each one of us has a different stand. Some side with the U.S. (mainly the arab governements and rulers), some want freedom and want an Islamic Country, and well, the others think that in order for us to be good Muslims and have an Islamic country, we have to force people to follow their religion.
All the points that you've made make perfect sence, and maybe if all muslims can think that way, we wouldn't have to force people into following their relegion since they will learn to love it for themselves when they see what beautiful and perfectly brought out message it has. If God told us to act in the way that's best, in what authority do we do the complete opposite?
I could not believe that a muslim could do this infront of harum, (bab abdul aziz, Mecca ) in the month of ramadan.
To me, Mutawahs or religious police are corrupt and immoral to the core.
Their purpose is to support the immoral regime of saudi arabia.
The concept of one ummah before Allah is shattered when visitors are treated differently.
Maas sallam Khalid sulaiman
I will like to thank the writer for his comments on this issue. This is an example of the ways that a true muslim should behave. I think that the ''religious police'' of Saudi Arabia can to put it mildly, be accused of over-zealosness in matters of interpreting the word of Allah as laid down in the sharia and the Al-Quran. This reversion to a puritanism where the joy of living is quashed under strictures such as long beards and burqas not only demeans the faith, it also is not a reflection of the communion between man and his Maker. This interpretation of Islam is also part of the troubles that the religion is facing today. Back in my country, if I say I am a muslim, the first comment is that ''But you don't look/behave like a muslim''. this is because of the negative stereotyping that the religion has undergone, especially in the recent past. i am one for looking at the laws in the Sharia, and giving them a modern face, else true Islam is in further danger of being left behind in the scheme of life.
Ma salaam
I think that we have to separate the muslims' behavior in their own houses and when they are out side. People cannot do all they want when they are out of their houses. The police in islamic countries , like in Saudi Arabia,has to protect the society againt those who don't want to respect the islamic laws apparently.
God does need a police force.
May Allah bless police forces.
this is the link to news paper
I do agree with you about your artical, but you must always consider that as your own opinion, because our pure religion is independant from any human interpretation. my last word is Allah knows the best.
you brother
Suleiman from The Netherlands
Salaamu calaykum
BUT what is wrong with u people!? U are discussing "religious police or not? ! When Kuffar are invading muslim countries and shooting them without reason! ? What is wrong with u??! They attacked Afghanistan and they attacked Iraq and they attack islam each end every time in their speeches but what does the muslim ummah do about it?! THEY TALK ABOUT RELIGIOS POLICE IN SAUDI ARABIA!
MAY ALLAH FORGIVE US AND GUIDE US TO THE RIGHT PATH.
wasalam,
Saqib
Let me give you an example. The Qur'an seems to carry this notion of equitable distribution of wealth in order to create a just, productive and peaceful community/society. Since a woman has not been given any responsibility to take care of economic needs of her fmily, it is reasonable that she is given to inherit only half of what the male inherits as otherwise the women would end up accumulating immense wealth and the men would be unfairly burdened and unable to fulfill God's dictates. Thus the attack by westerners that Islam is discriminating against women's rights falls by the wayside when analyzed with the broader Qur'anic concept in mind.
Similarly, if Allah SWT has stated clearly, time and time again in the Qur'an that human beings will be held accountable in the Hereafter as individuals, the notion of a top-down approach in implementing the Sharia of the Qur'an in an Islamic community beomes problematic if the individual Muslims are deprived of the God-given freedom of choice between right and wrong actions. The behavior of Saudi-type relgious police, ayatollah-controlled Shia-type policing or a Taliban type mentality are all bound to falter and err, and more importantly, violate God's Law because they have set aside or totally ignored the overall guiding concept of individual responsibility and accountability in spiritual, moral and ethical maatters. Shocking as it may sound, we have not conducted our lives according to Qur'anic dictates by chosing the concept of leadership in political and religious arenas as our starting point of reference, and have allowed blind submission to men as our guide as if that would set us all on the right path. Now, to succeed, we need a different paradigm.
specielt about the so called "religous police" !!! Allah will acount you in the day of Judgement...........
asalmu aleikum wr wb
publishing an article against Saudi Arabia in a
time when Saudi Arabia is verbally and mediaticaly
attacked. Actually, I am SURPRISED that islamicity
would contribute to such a mediatic campaign
against Saudi Arabia.
I believe that this article doesn't help the ummah
nor its image througout the world.
And the article also attacks the islamic dress
code by featuring it as being "extremist" or
backward. And this certainly doesn't help on
giving an accurate image of Islam.
Today, I am starting to believe that islamicity
is run by people who really have western views.
who have a poor understanding of Islam, and who do
not seem to feel that they belong to one ummah.
Instead all they have found to do, is to publicly
critisize a muslim country and the islamic dress
code.
For this reason, I am unsubscribing to islamicity.
Believe me when I say that now on Islamicity won't have
a good publicity through me.
This was a great article. Your whole site is one of the best that I have seen on Islam. Keep up the good work. Sincerely your sister in Islam Zahra Arshadi
Wa Salam Alaikum !
I couldn't agree more. I think the author is 100%correct.The last comment made by him in his article says it all. God does not need a police force to make sure his servants live Islamic lives. This religious police and similar organizations are blackening the name of Islam. And as A Muslim living in Brazil it breaks my heart to see some organizations, that call themselves Islamic, terrorizing and killing other muslims around the world, like it's happening in Pakistan, Afganistan and other parts of the world, including here in Brazil. These organizations fortunately - if I may say so- do not have a big number of followers but, unfortuantley, they have been very violent. This religious police in Saudi Arabia, or wherever it may exist, is just a softer version of these organizations. May Allah protect us all from their evil and the damage they are doing to Islam.
We need to be concious always of our dress and the way we respect ourselves, but that was extreme, and didnt show love to those girls who perushed because of it, that was a shame
The Saudi Government's handling of the so-called
"religious functions" is politically and not
religiously motivated. Their mischief has gone
for many years and it is time for Muslims to reclaim the true religion from this tribal kingdom.
I am thankful, that the Dominion and the Mercy of
ALLAH, towards his servants is acknowledged in this
article. Alhamdhulilah.
when i first came to s.a.( 20 years ago from usa),the religious police here had much command, due to which this counrty was like a paradise. during the time of salah,the streets would empty and the mosques would fill up with people, even young girls wore abayas,owners of gold shops used to leave their shops open during salah.but then these religious people were oppressed,and what are the results. S.A. is turning into U.S.A. = hell.crime rate has shot up eg rapes adultery theft murders.many women no longer wear scarfs,no one cares about salah ( streets are full during salah time). no one writes articles about the fall of islam in this holy land,but they will write against those who try to fix the situation. wallahi the situation over here would make any muslim cry.before,in the streets of madinah one could hear quran recitaion from every house, and if you walk in makkah and madinah now , you will hear rap pop.and other musics,any complains in the media to change this situation?never.
the God-fearing people ae being blamed everywhere.may Allah have mercy on taliban who did not allow girls to go to schools for their own safety(because of civil war).later on,they did,and Allah is enough as a witness.
O author,shame on u.
may ALlah give the religious people more authority in this land , ameen
Please publish articles on Islam, about Companinions of Rasul Allah etc...
I expect you will take note and not repeat again.
Thanks,
Iqbal Ahmed Khan
faisal
And Allah knows best..
Things would be much better if we clearly understand the 'Quran', its purpose and philosphy, before jumping to the conclusions of our own and act like the 'sole authority' to decide on someone's fate.
Sincere Regards,
Raza
I refer to the article "Does God need a police force?" The author concluded God does not. This is an erroneous conclusion that betrays the author's scant knowledge of Islamic Law.
The Prophet (s) said: "whoever of you sees an evil action, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart--and that is the weakest of faith." (Reported by Muslim). During his lifetime up to the reign of Umar bn al-Khattab, this moral enforcement in civil society was duly executed by the PRophet (s) and his Companions themselves. That is because Madinah was a small city with a small population and easily supervised.
During the reign of Uthman, however, the enforcement of the public moral code posed a logistic problem with an ever expanding Muslim population, so the third rightly guided caliph resorted to appointment of public officials to carry out this duty. Later in Islamic history, it was enshrined and implemented through a government agency known variously as Hisbah, Muhtasib, and the like, empowered to carry out the public function of enjoinging good and forbidding evil. It was necessary this judicial function be executed by the state so as to avoid civil strife if left entirely up to individuals.
THe fact that this statal institution is abused by various Muslim governments from time to time(e.g. Saudi Arabia and in Afghanistan under the rule of the Taliban) is not justification to repudiate what has been clearly sanctioned by Islamic Law.
Furthermore, we say God needs a police force or vice squad or whatever, not in a metaphysical sense as pertains to His divine predicates, but in a legislative sense. THe reason being Allah does not come down from the sky to govern humankind but has expressed His legislative (shar'i) will through express texts of the SHaree'ah or Islamic Law, which is to be implemented by Muslims with shortcomings and not angels imbued with perfec
A refreshing article. We have to get out of the Yoke of "Tunnel Vision" and apply the tenets of Islam Intellectually. Islam is against all forms of oppression. The examples cited by you are only the tip of the iceberg. There are millions of other situations when we come across oppression in the name of Islam. Once returning from Umrah, I was stopped by the Immigration from leaving because the authorities would not believe that my sister had left on an earlier flight to London while I was going elsewhere.I was the Mahram. Their verdict was "You are Guilty and prove yourself innocent".
First of all, what is writer's aim behind this article?
In USA, where he lives, there is no 'police force'. He is living there with nonmuslims, watching half naked men and women, watching homosexuals and lesbians and he talks (writes) about 'police force'.
I think the writer of this article just wants to show to nonmuslims how smart he is when he reject Taliban or Saudian 'police force' thinking that nonmuslims will like him more, saying: 'He's good one.'
Also writer should know that there is a big secular campaign against Saudi Arabia to ban everything Islamic, so they are attacking everything with pro-Islamic sign.
Police force, Allah Almighty doesn't need police it is true. But we should know that people need it. And who are 'police force'? Human beings like us, they make mistakes just like us, and they are not perfect. If that is true, about Saudi girls who died 'because' of 'police force', well Allah the Almighty is a Judge.
Today we find Muslims who are smiling to enemies of Islam, sitting with them eating, having banquets, but in the same time they are spitting on their brothers who try to make something for Allah. So if you are there sitting in your house garden, having barbeque, far away from Muslim countries, than send this article to your president George Bush, he will award you for sure.
(I apologize for my bad English, but I'm still a Muslim)
Not saving anyone's life because of an improper dress is something that is mind-boggling, and hard to believe. I would really like to know whether this is the real reason, and doubt that any sincere believer could so such a thing. May Allah have mercy on the souls of the Muslim girls who died. Ameen. Any errors are from me, any good is from Allah.
i absolutely agree with this article.
one cannot chp hands of thief unless it is made sure that all rich and able of society are pying zakat and other taes duly.
just as pregnancy out of wed lock may obviate need of four witnesses,similarly positive dna test of alleged man also obviate need of four witness.
application of sharia law without any proper homework,and establishing proper social structures and a environment and above all a very vigrous amr bil maaroof wa nahi anil munkar is bound to fail as it did in afghanistan.