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robin
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Posted: 23 May 2008 at 7:05am |
Where the trinity idea came from. Edited by robin - 23 May 2008 at 7:06am |
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believer
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Man trying to explain GOD and put a label on it!!!
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John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
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robin
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AND FAILING TO DO SO!
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Mystical
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Jesus apostles believed in one God. They also believed Jesus was God and still they could justify believe in one God. They did NOT claim to believe in 2 Gods ever so the concept of the Trinity is from their understanding that Jesus claimed to be the "Son" and the Holy Spirit whom He sent after His ascent to the "right hand of the Father" is also the same nature (The TRUTH) as God. Also above I saw calculations that are incorrect in terms of the Trinity. 1+1+1 does indeed = 3 but it is a mistake to use this in reference to the Trinity. Although three DISTINCT Personages God is ONE. You may want to use the 1x1x1=1 for better understanding on this point.
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robin
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The Apostles did not believe the Trinity:-
1 Corinthians 8:6
there is actually to us one God the Father. . .
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,
Ephesians 4:5-6
one faith, one baptism; 6 one God. . .
James 2:19
You believe there is one God, do you? You are doing quite we. . .
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minuteman
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The christians were misled into Trinity. An explanation (reason) is given here:
In some last chapter of mathew, it is told "Go and preach in the name of the father and the holy spirit and the son..." By that the christians made three gods or part gods. That teaching was alright. It was necessary to preach in the name of God the father. It was also right to preach in the name of the holy spirit and the son (Jesus) as the source of guidance. There was no harm in mentioning the source.
We Muslims have the Kalimah "There is no God except Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah". That means we believe there is no God except Allah and we believe only in the matters of religion what comes from Muhammad only. If any one else teaches us anything about religion, even about One God, we will not take it unless it is from the prophet Muhammad.
But that does not mean the prophet Muhammad is a God beside Allah. His name is there permanently in our faith (Kalimah). Nobody can separate the name of Muhammad from the name of Allah. But He (Muhammad) is not god. He is only a man and a messenger of Allah.
Similarly, the holy spirit and Jesus were important part of the preaching. They should have been mentioned in all the teachings and preachings of the christians. But they should not have been made into gods.
So the christian preachers made the mistake which Quran mentions as a sin, i.e. to take others as Lords beside Allah. I have checked. The christians not only take Jesus as a Lord beside Allah but they also like to keep the apostles as Lords beside Allah. They give importance to the sayings of the apostles as if those were from God Almighty. Edited by minuteman - 21 June 2008 at 8:43pm |
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Angel
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Robin you are polytizing in a section that is for issues regarding islam's position, this needs to be in the interfaith section.
Also, discussions on the trinity are in a few threads, you just need to do a search for it and then continue with one of the threads already formed. Edited by Angel - 23 June 2008 at 3:16am |
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thomasd
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The discussion of the trinity is a really intriguing one, but its completely off the mark to try and say that Jesus never made claims of divinity.
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