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    Posted: 06 May 2010 at 10:45am

�Whereas it is widely recognized that the US-led war in Afghanistan is illegal under international law, because it was never authorized by the UN Security Council, most Americans have believed that it was morally justified as a response to the 9/11 attacks, and many believe it is still justified as a necessary means to prevent another attack originating from that region.

My lecture will present evidence showing that both of these beliefs are untrue, so that the 9/11 Truth Movement and more traditional Peace and Anti-War groups should be able to combine forces to oppose this illegal and immoral war.� � David Ray Griffin

David Ray Griffin speaks to a full house in Chicago, IL on April 27, 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar0px1roeeY
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2010 at 12:49pm
I suppose one conspiracy theory is as good as another, however I'm not prepared to believe that my government would attack its own country, kill its own citizens and attack another sovereign country all for an oil pipeline.  I do however believe evidence showing the guilt of those responsible for the 9/11 attacks is highly classified, and likely for excellent reasons.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2010 at 5:34pm
Originally posted by Umm Hufsah Umm Hufsah wrote:

�Whereas it is widely recognized that the US-led war in Afghanistan is illegal under international law, because it was never authorized by the UN Security Council, most Americans have believed that it was morally justified as a response to the 9/11 attacks, and many believe it is still justified as a necessary means to prevent another attack originating from that region.

My lecture will present evidence showing that both of these beliefs are untrue, so that the 9/11 Truth Movement and more traditional Peace and Anti-War groups should be able to combine forces to oppose this illegal and immoral war.� � David Ray Griffin

David Ray Griffin speaks to a full house in Chicago, IL on April 27, 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar0px1roeeY
This is just recycled 9-11 twoofer'isms. But I guess there are always those who will find youtube cartoons that placate their need to believe conspiracy theories.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 2010 at 1:27am
Originally posted by abuayisha abuayisha wrote:

I suppose one conspiracy theory is as good as another, however I'm not prepared to believe that my government would attack its own country, kill its own citizens and attack another sovereign country all for an oil pipeline.  I do however believe evidence showing the guilt of those responsible for the 9/11 attacks is highly classified, and likely for excellent reasons.


 
Oh please... haven't you juiced that 'conspiracy theorist' mantra enough for years, it has become pretty ragged tagged of a term. Isn't  it time to drop the egoistic and prideful act and stop persisting to live in denial of truth that 'your government is a traitor' for the rest of your life. Why so scared to admit the truth?.... well I do understand that 9/11 is very crucially important  excuse not just to suck the middle east dry of the oil and keep the CIA drug business running but to also to achieve the Imperialism - absolute power and Invisibility in the world syndrome, something America's history is full of- nothing surprising there.....

No doubt any sane person would consider the fact pretty significant that over 15000 scientists across the world including 8 Nobel prize winners are claiming that the official 9/11 story of US is nothing but pack of lies to support it's disgusting political agenda and there is 'nothing scientific about the official story' regarding collapse of 3 buildings in 9/11.

US government has been running around with tail between it's legs to avoid serious and real investigation that will not only put an end to its tyranny in America but also will be made to pay for war crimes committed using 9/11 as an excuse to commit massacres in the middle - east.

I guess one preposterous excuse to hide from truth and neglect the facts is as good as another. You can happily live in denial believing the only possible true story is the official story which is like full of as many holes there are pages in 9/11 commission, with no evidence to prove that it wasn't a inside job and supporting the guilty demeanour. War supporting Americans must be inheriting the 'dismissal of facts habit' from their belligerent, pugnacious and war mongering maniac government to protect themselves from retribution the world ( US afflicted them with chaos using this pearl harbour to commit monstrosities across world) will ask to pay up if they ever admitted the truth. It all makes sense...  I can sympathise with you wanting to believe that your government isn't the real terrorist that endangers the world's peace.

Yes folks there are plenty of egoistic and shameless people who still want to believe that 9/11 was not an inside job but the US government can run as much as it likes to run and evade but never will be able to hide the truth there will be time when it will be brought to justice like Nazi Hitler was.....



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 2010 at 8:11am

I suppose one conspiracy theory is as good as another, however I'm not prepared to believe that my government would attack its own country, kill its own citizens and attack another sovereign country all for an oil pipeline.


why not? The government has enslaved its own citizens, used some for medical experiments and attacked a country that had nothing, nothing to do with 9-11--- Iraq.. why not? 27 million people in the world are enslaved and dehumanized all over the globe. They are throw-away people. Why is our government any different then other people? Do you personally know them?

I remember reading a book on this author who went to find the murderers in the Killing Fields of Cambodia. This was a really bad guy who murdered hundreds if not thousands of his own people- he ran this prison in Phnom Penh. And the author finally met him.. and he was a "good" "born again" Christian. But he was one in the same. Evil exists all over.. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 2010 at 8:54am

Well Sister, if conspiracy is trite, I�ll use speculation.  Mr. Griffin speculates that his country has done awful things to accommodate a Caspian Sea pipeline through Afghanistan, and I simply don�t agree.  What is clear to me, and I would also venture to say, clear also to those on the 9/11 Commission, is that we don�t have complete transparency on the dreadful events of September 11, 2001.  The United States as well as other countries has not been completely open and forthcoming.  Why?  The �why� is open for speculation from Griffin and a whole host of other theorist; present company included.  Now, I know Dick Cheney has an ominous grin, but I refuse to believe him capable of what Mr. Griffin suggests.  I am not particularly troubled by lack of complete and open transparency because all states and countries have secrets � and legitimate needs for undisclosed information, as do families and individuals.  Who killed JFK, and how Princess Diana met her fate, all open to speculation and 9/11 as well.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 2010 at 10:51am

Sr. Hayfa, you ask, �why not?�; well, Griffin�s hypothesis is extreme in my opinion.  Slavery wasn�t invented by the United States and was pretty common in all cultures.  We are Muslims and do not defend evil or wrong, but I really don�t view a political decision by the American government to fight the spread of communism as an indicator of evil, or as morally equivalent to Nazism.  My heart goes out to the helpless and oppressed people of the world � throw-away people, but certainly you don�t suggest this is all the United States� fault or responsibility. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 2010 at 1:19pm

I love conspiracy theories. I think many of us are fascinated by them.

But regarding 9/11 then until there is sufficient convincing evidence it will remain a conspiracy theory. Many of the theories re: 9/11 are plausible but valid proof is needed.

Many people in the UK still maintain Princess Diana was murdered by the ROyal Family. But I am certain it was just a tragic accident.

And the JFK assassination still fascinates me.

Benazir Bhutto's assassination is also one I am interested in.

Here is a list of conspiracies that ARE true, if anyone is interested.

http://conspiraciesthatweretrue.blogspot.com/2007/01/list-of-proven-conspiracies-from.html


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