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Abu Mujahid
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Posted: 21 June 2007 at 1:22am |
Andulus:The last time you deprived people to read your Sheikh Kellers belief by deleting my post quickly. What a funny censor!! Since then I suspect you may be Haddad or Keller himself. Anyway, if you want to delete it again go ahead but rest assured your sufi Sheikh Keller/Haddad has a lot of things to answer in their sufi beliefs...
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The Lies and Distortions of Keller Against the Salafis
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Andalus
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I did not deprive you of anything, you cannot help but be belligerent, and it is this (your behavior) that is getting you in trouble, not with me, but with moderation in general. Another moderator cleaned up your filth. If you are too immature to debate, then perhaps you should refrain. So far, you have insulted the majority of Muslim at this forum, as far as I can see, you are on warning number two. Furthermore, you are showing your ignorance and inability to debate with your continued use of "sheikh" bashing instead of arguing the points of this forum. It is almost funny to see you post "spam" that tries to focus on sheikhs that you think I might be following. How old are you? Seriously. By the way, I do not follow Shaikh Keller, and I suspect that you have no clue about what you just spammed. In fact, I will bet that you have no ability or intention on discussing anything you just pasted. I will respond to some of the garbage you just spammed, but if you continue to just spamm without making any attempt at debate or discussion, you will be prohibited from further "spamming". It is obvious you are trying hard to google anything you can find on people you think I might follow. How desperate. So be warned, if you insult me, or anyone else, that will be number three, and your account will be suspended. If you continue to spamm without discussion, and spamm simply to bash sheikhs indiscriminately without reason or purpose, you will be prohibited from further "spamming". Follow the guidlines. |
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Abu Mujahid
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Andulus,
You can't be fair moderator in this medium if there was Islam and fairness. Your dictarship mount to that Bush or Islamic world leaders?. You are bais blind Kabbani Sufi follower. Your hatred toward real Islam is beyond repair. You disregard every Islamic rule that bring people on the bowiqatal Islam!!!. You want to continue lies/deception path with free pass from audience. I'm not your muridi. When I caught you handed you cry foul and using guidelines as shield. Meanwhile, No one has complained about my posts except few liberal political incorrect old hags. When they insulted me you were enjoying with them forgeting what Islam said about such. To you, these are your muridi's or should I say Kizan's if you know what I mean!!!. Listen, what about your daily spamming and bashing on Ibnu Taymiyah, Ibnu Abdulwahab and rest of Salafi muslims. What about your name calling on me day in day out!!. That should be sanctioned by your sufi doctrine. Listen don't preach me about behavior while you voilate the very basic of Islamic manner. If you run this show terminate my account then have mixed kumbaya with sufi dance. Readers know I challenge you in Kitabul Towhid and that is what bugs you. If were there muslim Omdusman group in IC they would take all complains but alas this is sufi liberal Dahlan playground. Go ahead and enjoy your cake walk!!!. If somehow, other moderators feel ashame by terminating my account in this voilent way.....Don't ever intimidate me again. Debate with me in civility and proof but don't I repeat don't terrorize me by your sufi ulitimatum. I'm not her to be your muridi. I want to contribute the well of my muslim people.
Allahu Akbar wala namat ayunul jubana
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Andalus
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you have said all this before, "you blind dalali______your sufi shiekh st**id__________because liveral Muslims__________I show you lie__________dumb dalali_______ Reality is that I am a mod, and I will not allow you to insult me again. If you do not like it, then take it up with admin. Furthermore, could you show me a single debate you have had on this forum? Please give me the link here -> I have never seen you debate. Just bad manners and adhab, a sign of your wahabi teaching. Seriously, this seems to be a constant in your sect. Get over it. |
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I think the Unknown authors of the article are clutching at straws to find things wrong with the shaykh. if this is the extent of there objection with him ie minor and petty discrepancies then we should hold them to account and according to the complete and utter perfection they expect from every shaykh they do not follow. I am not saying they are correct in there arguments but that even giving them the benefit of the doubt one can see the pettiness of the argument and one would question the need to even bother writing an article to warn people against an evil person who supposedly only makes minor [human] mistakes. Going on to what they actually claim, most of what they accuse him should realy be attributed or rather the objection should not solely be aimed at him but the majority of the muslim Ummah becouse his views as they quote them above are nothing but the views of the wider scholarly community. They just happen to focus on him and are looking for fault. The shaykh has traditional and acceptable qualifications in islam by anyones standards, and i dare them to challenge them openly, so the least they can do is address him by his proper and earned title as Shaykh regardless of whether they agree with him or not it is simple adab. Most scholars accues salafis of anthropomorphism maybe not deliberate but out of lack of knowledge and understanding what there statements really mean and imply, from my discussion with them many have a wrong understanding of what certain or basic words mean and hold distorted views [due to lack of understanding of traditional meaning of words, in my opinion]. Regarding the ashari scholars from my discussion with them most of what they believe are from habashi sources [which are distortions] and if you ask them to find something wrong from there works directly they can not quote anything. lastly regarding point 13 i think the author needs to get a grasp of time and space or at least look at watch and see what year it is becouse the shaykh was referring to muhammad ibn abdul wahhab and the salafi's in his time period while his reply refers to salafis of today. Salafism and its teaching has changed over the past 250 years due to the simple fact they did not form a madhhab [methodology for deriving fatwah from the quran and sunnah thus there teachings where not preserved] so as it spread you would have one shaykh in one area saying one thing and another shaykh in another area saying something different about the same topic until eventually they began to contradict each other and what it was to be a salafi. A good example of this is the anti madhhab salafis and the hanbali salafi's that exist today. if there was any sort of consistency and a methodological approach to law by the salafi's you would not have one group [those around the world] saying no madhhabs at all and another saying [the group in saudi it self apparently] saying we are hanbali's. there are many contradictions in there teachings as it exists today between one group in one region and another in a different region. Edited by rami |
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This fellow, Abu Mujahid, I remember that I had asked him about the Practice (Sunnah) of the holy prophet s.a.w.s. different to his sayings (Hadith) as recorded in the books. But I did not get a satisfactory answer. I feel that too much stress on the Hadith is not good. There are many problems in that. Also trying to be more Unitarians than other Muslims and blaming the common Muslims as Mushrikeen is also very bad work of the Wahhabis. I wished that Mujahid discuss the matter of Practical life of the prophet s.a.w.s. and the his sayings separately with me. Then we could have proceeded further. |
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