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Originally posted by Salome Salome wrote:

Ah Nur,

   Yes, there is still original text in the world. It is written in Aramaic, Hebrew and in Greek. Ever heard of the DEAD SEA SCROLLS, which consists of roughly about 900 documents, including texts from the Hebrew Bible, discovered between 1947 and 1956 in eleven caves in and around the Wadi Qumran near the ruins of the ancient settlement of Khirbet Qumran, on the northwest shore of the Dead Sea. The texts are of great religious and historical significance, as they include some of the only known surviving copies of Biblical documents made before 100 C.E., and preserve evidence of considerable diversity of belief and practice within late Second Temple Judaism. They are written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek, mostly on parchment, but with some written on papyrus.[1] These manuscripts generally date between 150 BCE to 70 CE.[2] The scrolls are most commonly identified with the ancient Jewish sect called the Essenes, but recent scholarship has challenged their association with the scrolls.[3]

   You seem very one sided here, You may want to GOOGLE questions or statements you make, because you are not making correct ones and they coming out as assumptions instead.
   Salome
  


The Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered more than 50 years ago, yet till now there are no books published on these Dead Sea Scrolls. Why is that so? I mean there is no attempt to make it into a book so that Jews and Christians could have a chance to read and understand its contents.

Why Salome?

The reason is because publishing it would not serve either the Jews nor the Christians, because the texts of these sacred writings contradicts so much what the Jewish Bible and the Christian Bible are teaching. However it confirms what was written in the Quran.
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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

salome I have read the Quran.   I have been told many times that if I don't read the Quran in arabic the message is not complete.
 
Do you believe that the message is lost when reading the Bible in various translations?  I don't believe it is. 
 
 
 
my friend to have you understand this, here is a simple analogy:
A translation by a human will have in it human element and  weakness.
The original language and message as it was revealed and copied down to this day eliminates that weakness.
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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

LOL!!  Nur  - Allah could not preserve the original compiled Quran, there is no copy of it.

Where are the bones, leaves etc. that the first verses were written on. 
 


Believer, God Almighty had given us brains, intellect to think. Use that and search for the Creator of the whole Universe and worship Him, not a creation that He created.

Imagine using bones and leaves to read the Quran in the Mosques? Tsk Tsk Tsk....
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Ah Nur,

   Yes, there is still original text in the world. It is written in Aramaic, Hebrew and in Greek. Ever heard of the DEAD SEA SCROLLS, which consists of roughly about 900 documents, including texts from the Hebrew Bible, discovered between 1947 and 1956 in eleven caves in and around the Wadi Qumran near the ruins of the ancient settlement of Khirbet Qumran, on the northwest shore of the Dead Sea. The texts are of great religious and historical significance, as they include some of the only known surviving copies of Biblical documents made before 100 C.E., and preserve evidence of considerable diversity of belief and practice within late Second Temple Judaism. They are written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek, mostly on parchment, but with some written on papyrus.[1] These manuscripts generally date between 150 BCE to 70 CE.[2] The scrolls are most commonly identified with the ancient Jewish sect called the Essenes, but recent scholarship has challenged their association with the scrolls.[3]

   You seem very one sided here, You may want to GOOGLE questions or statements you make, because you are not making correct ones and they coming out as assumptions instead.


   Salome
  

Edited by Salome - 05 May 2009 at 4:33pm
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LOL!!  Nur  - Allah could not preserve the original compiled Quran, there is no copy of it.

Where are the bones, leaves etc. that the first verses were written on. 
 
John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

Your belief is that the various translations contradict each other but they are actually complimentary.

I have mentioned before that many Bible studies request that you bring more then one translation to class.  It actually adds a fuller deeper meaning to the verse.

That is why all of Christianity has worked to save scriptures and not burned them the way Uthman did the Quran.   Muslims have no originals to compare and prove that the Quran has not changed. 
 
KIA? MIA?  It is known through history that verses were lost from the Quran before the Quran was compiled and there was war where people who had memorized the Quran were killed.  Aisha talks about chapers that had more verses then were present in her day.  What would be helpful to Islam is if some of the bones and leaves had been saved.  Also the various copies from the companions of Mohammd had been collected and saved.
 
We have bits of scripture from 125AD- now remember the Scripture was written on a very fragile material so it is a miracle any of it has survived.  We also have are church fathers that reference scripture in their writings.
Why not quote sources Believer.
 
One thing very wonderful about The Quran - The Word of God Almighty, The Creator of the whole universe is that, wherever you are, whether in China, in USA, in Sweden, in Africa, you turn to the first page and the first chapter is Al-Fatiha. And the first phrase is -
BISMILLAHIRRAHAMANIRRAHEEM - IN THE NAME OF ALLAH MOST GRACIOUS, MOST MERCIFUL.
 
Unlike Christianity, a Chinese Christian will read in Chinse, an Afrikan will read in Afrikan and so on and so forth. Why is there no universality in Christianity? Because there is no original copy around.
 
If the God that you worship is Powerful, he would have preserve His True words could'nt he? But alas, no original Scripture of the Christians could be found. The reason none other than that it is a man-made religion.
 
LAILAHAILALLAH - THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH!
 
So sorry if I sound offensive, but this is the Truth! Allah is Al-Haqq! The Truth!
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   Jamal,

   All religious beliefs have their own sick and twisted people, it's in their brain . It's not a matter of religious belief they were sick to begin with and will always be sick. Maybe it happen to them as a child... who knows.
   But abuse does not know race, religion, creed, country, etc....


   I always feel horrible for those who this happen to, and I always pray God will heal their wounds.

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