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Pati
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Posted: 14 April 2009 at 1:42pm |
I'm sorry, but there are paedophiles everywhere, it's not matter of religion. Even in your religion, there are terrible histories about family rapes, or iman's abuses, so please, don't mix the discussion. I could talk about how many Spanish women were raped by muslims in their own houses, some of them over 80 years!! But they were not muslims, they were just criminals!
Please, make the difference between the sick people (I don't care if they are pastors or not, they are sick and dangerous) and the religion and it's meanings.
By my side, I'm part of the Catholic Church, in which the pastors are not allowed to get married or to have relation, because they make a comittement where they accept that situation. They give their lives to God as well as the people who may ask them for help (no matter who). If they where married, their priority would be their family, and in this way, the priorioty is just to follow God's Word and to help everyone.
What I see is that there is no interest here in finding something common to both religions, but just to tell the worst things of the other one, and it's really sad, because we have the necessary knowledge to grow with the other's words. I fell sorry for that.
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Posted: 14 April 2009 at 6:45am |
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Gulliver wrote -
<> It is about power, most of it for sure - and controlling people by abusing that power. The problem with Christianity
is having hierarchy in their institutions. The power given by man themselves not
God Almighty. Our piety and humility only God knows because He is Al-Aleem - Most Knowing. In Islam a person with highest taqwa (humility in piety) is what matters to God. Gulliver I did not say that people cannot share intimacy or have sexual relations with those they love. That is against nature. if it is in accordance with nature by all means. What is against nature is to prey on innocent defenceless children. Or having it with other than your one's spouse. Or doing it within the same sex. "4. Qur'an permits limited polygyny As I mentioned earlier, Qur'an is the only religious book on the face of the earth that says 'marry only one'. The context of this phrase is the following verse from Surah Nisa of the Glorious Qur'an: 'Marry woman of your choice in twos' threes' or fours' but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly, (with them), then only one' [Al-Qur'an 4:3] Before the Qur'an was revealed, there was no upper limit for polygyny and many men had scores of wives, some even hundreds. Islam put an upper limit of four wives. Islam gives a man permission to marry two, three or four women, only on the condition that he deals with them justly. In the same chapter i.e. Surah Nisa verse 129 says: 'It is very difficult to be just and fair between women'. [Al-Qur'an (4:129)] Therefore polygyny is not a rule but an exception. Many people are under the misconception that it is compulsory for a Muslim man to marry more than one wife." You need to learn more about Christianity Nur, fore you try and make the kinds of generalised claims you do. You only make yourself sound foolish and I was beginning to believe you knew what you were talking about.
I do not know that one needs to be so very intelligent in order to know that there are paedophiles in the Church? |
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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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Nur_Ilahi
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Posted: 14 April 2009 at 6:42am |
Assalamualaika Hasan, You are so right. We can deceive others, but we cannot deceive ourselves. The Truth is within ourselves and the more we struggle with the truth, the more peace will evade us. Only by accepting the Truth, then our Pure Soul will be back to the Fitrah and be at Peace because it had found its Home. |
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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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Akhe Abdullah
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Posted: 13 April 2009 at 6:10pm |
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Exactly honeto. I don't see the difference between the marriage of an 8 year old to a 47 year old and the rape of the 9 year old by her stepfather.
Gulliver mentioned the double standard and I was simply backing this up with fact.
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16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
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honeto
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Posted: 13 April 2009 at 4:11pm |
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Those of us who believe in accountability and God as overseer of all affairs will continue to strive for the truth. We have the hope of that day, when all will be justly dealt. What hope they have that decieve themselves when they try to decieve others?
Hasan Edited by honeto - 13 April 2009 at 4:12pm |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Gulliver
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Posted: 13 April 2009 at 10:23am |
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You are generalising again Nur. It is only within Roman Catholicism that celibacy was made mandatory for Roman Catholic priests. The Eastern Orthodox do allow their clerics to marry, as does the Church of England, and many others. It is about power, most of it for sure - and controlling people by abusing that power. It is not natural to demand people cannot share intimacy, have sexual relations with those they love.
Not all people need sex. A lot of people can and do live perfectly well as celibates. We're not all sex mad horn balls who can't master our baser passions ;-) lol Women are not the demure litte creatures you'd have us believe in matters of sex. Women are often as bad, and worse than men in matters of sexuality. Didn't you know the place is coming down with nymphettes.
All those men with umpteen wives and harlots in the closets. Do they love them all, or is it more about the sex lives of the men ? Be very hard to love four people equally. And for four women to be happy sharing their man. And what's with the sex addicts paradise ? Not that I believe that is what the Qu'ran speaks about at all. But some do interpret it that way. Sounds worse than Sodom and Gomorrah.
You need to learn more about Christianity Nur, fore you try and make the kinds of generalised claims you do. You only make yourself sound foolish and I was beginning to believe you knew what you were talking about.
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