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    Posted: 08 November 2007 at 8:07am
This is slowly proving my theory, in that the coming years humans will slowly make God (and associated historical sites precious to the Abrahamic faiths) non-significant.
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Bi ismillahi rahmani raheem

assalamu alaikum

Herjihad this is just an excuse, if you had the option of providing accommodation modern comforts in a non flashy materialistic manner but you choose to make everything as big as possible and as decadent as possible would you still call that simple basic trade or extravagance.

Is our religion for sale?

These hypocrites who dont have a clue about religion will not allow any of there masjids to be even painted a different colour than white but in the two most holy [i.e baraka filled for those uneducated scholars who havnt made the connection yet] sites on earth they want to make it like Las Vegas.

i should simply call what they did naive since i dont doubt there comprehension of the importance of these places [mecca, madina], what do you expect from a people who know something is important want to treat as important but treat it the exact same way as they treat everything else that is important in there life i.e by throwing money at it and making it as big and loud as possible, there idea of respect and reverence is not normal to say the least.

As apposed to treating it how your religion would like you to do so, rasul allah said the characteristic of my Ummah is hayah....modesty or shyness.

regarding the historical sites themselves they could have easily walled them off rather than destroy them outright, there is is always an option but extremist minds tend to think in extremes.


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Quote "We are destroying physical links to our past and turning our religion and history into a legend," he said.


Sister of a friend of mine ventured in taking up a teacher's position in Saudi Arabia about the time they had started getting some money for the black gold. When she was asked to comment about her work in Saudi Arabia, she said that it was like converting animals into humans she was afraid that in their transformation from stone age to jet age would cause an incalculable damage to their character cuz  the practice of Wahabism equates commercialism almost like Render unto Caesar� aphorism that expresses resignation about the inevitability of submission to authority, a belief that it is good and appropriate to submit to the King that such demands are non-negotiable even when if the King in this case (Saud) was a corrupt playboy. He was also a tool in the hands of the western imperialists and those who followed were no less seeking the American approval and protection in every thing conceivable.
The Saudi kings had no interest or inclination to rejuvenate the Islamic heritage but saw the history of Arabia with Saudi genesis with a minimum physical reference to the times fourteen centuries prior archives or monuments albeit a legend.
It is no surprise that with current level of oil largess has even increased their greed of making commercial gains might as well erase the Prophet's birth place and what have you.
What can you expect from the nouveau riche crowd--with unearned easy money?

At least location of the Kaaba and Madina keeping them somewhat restrained  otherwise you will see these guys will be leasing the Arabian Peninsula to the builders of the new Las Vegases!

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Originally posted by rami rami wrote:

Bi ismillahi rahmani raheem

assalamu alaikum

Developers and purists erase Mecca's history

By Laith Abou-Ragheb
Mecca, Saudi Arabia

July 11, 2005

Some of Islam's historic sites in Mecca, possibly including a home of the Prophet Mohammed, are under threat from Saudi real estate developers and Wahhabi Muslims who view them as promoting idolatry.

Sami Angawi, an expert on the region's Islamic architecture, said 1,400-year-old buildings from the early Islamic period risk being demolished to make way for high rise towers for Muslims flocking to perform the annual pilgrimage to Islam's holiest city.

"We are witnessing now the last few moments of the history of Mecca," Angawi told Reuters. "Its layers of history are being bulldozed for a parking lot," he added.

Angawi estimated that over the past 50 years at least 300 historical buildings had been levelled in Mecca and Medina, another Muslim holy city containing the prophet's tomb.

Wahhabism, Saudi Arabia's dominant doctrine which promotes a strict narrow interpretation of Islam, was largely to blame, he said.

"They (Wahhabis) have not allowed preservation of old buildings, especially those related to the prophet. They fear other Muslims will come to see these buildings as blessed and this could lead to polytheism and idolatry."

The Washington-based Saudi Institute, an independent news gathering group, says most Islamic landmarks have been destroyed since Saudi Arabia was founded in 1932. It cited a 1994 edict by the kingdom's senior council of religious scholars which ruled that preserving historical buildings might lead to polytheism.

Angawi, who founded the Haj Research Centre in 1975 to study and preserve Mecca and Medina's rich history, claims to have identified a home of the Prophet Mohammed. But he is reluctant to publicise its location fearing it would be demolished like Dar al Arqam -- the first school in Islam where the prophet taught.

Angawi's views were echoed elsewhere.

In London, Geoffrey King, Islamic art and archaeology specialist at the School of Oriental and African and Studies, said the fate of Islamic historic sites in Saudi Arabia was "depressing".

"The religious authorities have failed to appreciate the significance of these buildings to Muslims and scholars worldwide," said King, who taught for several years in the kingdom and stressed many young Saudis agreed with him.

Followers of Wahhabism say Muslims should focus on Mecca's Grand Mosque, which contains the Kaaba -- an ancient structure that more than four million Muslims visit each year as part of haj and umra pilgrimages.

Real estate firms see massive demand for new accommodation to house up to 20 million pilgrims expected to visit Islam's holiest city annually over the coming years as authorities relax entry restrictions for pilgrims.

"The infrastructure at the moment cannot cope. New hotels, apartments and services are badly needed," the director of a leading real estate company said, estimating that developers are spending around 50 billion riyals ($A17.59 billion) on projects in the city.

Dominating these is the 10 billion riyal Jabal Omar scheme.

Covering a 230,000 square metre area adjacent to the Grand Mosque, the seven-year project consists of several towers containing hotels, apartments, shops and restaurants.

Angawi said these developments will dwarf Mecca's Grand Mosque and are a sign of crass commercialisation.

"Mecca is being treated like a bad copy of any city when it is a sanctuary. The house of God is being commercialised and these developments are disrespectful and totally out of proportion."

But the Jabal Omar Development Company, the firm behind the project, said it was changing Mecca for the better, not least in demolishing more than 1,000 poorly built homes that clung precariously to the hillsides around the Grand Mosque.

The firm said around 70,000 residents from 29 different nationalities used to live on the Jabal Omar site before selling up and moving into better quality housing elsewhere.

The residents of a similar neighbourhood close by seemed to be equally eager to attract developers.

Ali Hussein, a 38-year-old originally from Burma, lives in a cramped house deep within a network of unpaved, rubbish-strewn alleyways. "The people that moved away now live in nice homes," he said as a stray cat skipped over a puddle of sewage nearby.

"This is a very poor area. We hope another investor will come," said Amin Rafie, a local community ombudsman, adding that residents would likely be offered a handsome price for their dishevelled homes in Saudi Arabia's oil-driven real estate boom.

But Angawi wasn't convinced of the developers' motives.

"We have to accommodate these new pilgrims, but do we have to do it in towers and skyscrapers? Making money seems to be the bottom line here," he said.

"We are destroying physical links to our past and turning our religion and history into a legend," he said.

- Reuters


Bismillah,

Spiritual unity is easier when less people get crushed or burned alive because of lack of space.  I agree with your emphasis, Brother, to keep ancient sites, which the Wahabis are saying are next to worshipping them, which it is not.

I would certainly love to see his old house one day in the future!

Commercialization seems like another form of business trading, like buying something on camels and transporting it somewhere else for a profit.  It is clearly obvious that our beloved Prophet Muhammad, pbuh, was aware that the pilgimage would bring products, goods, services, and lots of profits to the people living nearby.

And Allah, The All-Knowing, is not surprised by the influx of millions of people.  Let's contemplate:  What did Allah, the Wise, intend for us to do?



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Bi ismillahi rahmani raheem

assalamu alaikum

Developers and purists erase Mecca's history

By Laith Abou-Ragheb
Mecca, Saudi Arabia

July 11, 2005

Some of Islam's historic sites in Mecca, possibly including a home of the Prophet Mohammed, are under threat from Saudi real estate developers and Wahhabi Muslims who view them as promoting idolatry.

Sami Angawi, an expert on the region's Islamic architecture, said 1,400-year-old buildings from the early Islamic period risk being demolished to make way for high rise towers for Muslims flocking to perform the annual pilgrimage to Islam's holiest city.

"We are witnessing now the last few moments of the history of Mecca," Angawi told Reuters. "Its layers of history are being bulldozed for a parking lot," he added.

Angawi estimated that over the past 50 years at least 300 historical buildings had been levelled in Mecca and Medina, another Muslim holy city containing the prophet's tomb.

Wahhabism, Saudi Arabia's dominant doctrine which promotes a strict narrow interpretation of Islam, was largely to blame, he said.

"They (Wahhabis) have not allowed preservation of old buildings, especially those related to the prophet. They fear other Muslims will come to see these buildings as blessed and this could lead to polytheism and idolatry."

The Washington-based Saudi Institute, an independent news gathering group, says most Islamic landmarks have been destroyed since Saudi Arabia was founded in 1932. It cited a 1994 edict by the kingdom's senior council of religious scholars which ruled that preserving historical buildings might lead to polytheism.

Angawi, who founded the Haj Research Centre in 1975 to study and preserve Mecca and Medina's rich history, claims to have identified a home of the Prophet Mohammed. But he is reluctant to publicise its location fearing it would be demolished like Dar al Arqam -- the first school in Islam where the prophet taught.

Angawi's views were echoed elsewhere.

In London, Geoffrey King, Islamic art and archaeology specialist at the School of Oriental and African and Studies, said the fate of Islamic historic sites in Saudi Arabia was "depressing".

"The religious authorities have failed to appreciate the significance of these buildings to Muslims and scholars worldwide," said King, who taught for several years in the kingdom and stressed many young Saudis agreed with him.

Followers of Wahhabism say Muslims should focus on Mecca's Grand Mosque, which contains the Kaaba -- an ancient structure that more than four million Muslims visit each year as part of haj and umra pilgrimages.

Real estate firms see massive demand for new accommodation to house up to 20 million pilgrims expected to visit Islam's holiest city annually over the coming years as authorities relax entry restrictions for pilgrims.

"The infrastructure at the moment cannot cope. New hotels, apartments and services are badly needed," the director of a leading real estate company said, estimating that developers are spending around 50 billion riyals ($A17.59 billion) on projects in the city.

Dominating these is the 10 billion riyal Jabal Omar scheme.

Covering a 230,000 square metre area adjacent to the Grand Mosque, the seven-year project consists of several towers containing hotels, apartments, shops and restaurants.

Angawi said these developments will dwarf Mecca's Grand Mosque and are a sign of crass commercialisation.

"Mecca is being treated like a bad copy of any city when it is a sanctuary. The house of God is being commercialised and these developments are disrespectful and totally out of proportion."

But the Jabal Omar Development Company, the firm behind the project, said it was changing Mecca for the better, not least in demolishing more than 1,000 poorly built homes that clung precariously to the hillsides around the Grand Mosque.

The firm said around 70,000 residents from 29 different nationalities used to live on the Jabal Omar site before selling up and moving into better quality housing elsewhere.

The residents of a similar neighbourhood close by seemed to be equally eager to attract developers.

Ali Hussein, a 38-year-old originally from Burma, lives in a cramped house deep within a network of unpaved, rubbish-strewn alleyways. "The people that moved away now live in nice homes," he said as a stray cat skipped over a puddle of sewage nearby.

"This is a very poor area. We hope another investor will come," said Amin Rafie, a local community ombudsman, adding that residents would likely be offered a handsome price for their dishevelled homes in Saudi Arabia's oil-driven real estate boom.

But Angawi wasn't convinced of the developers' motives.

"We have to accommodate these new pilgrims, but do we have to do it in towers and skyscrapers? Making money seems to be the bottom line here," he said.

"We are destroying physical links to our past and turning our religion and history into a legend," he said.

- Reuters


Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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