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Assalamu laikum Mustafa, Thanks, Adji |
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Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rejeem, Bismillah ir rehman ir rahim,
Jazak allah khair. You have done a great job. Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullah. Nausheen |
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<font color=purple>Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.[/COLOR] |
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Mustafaa
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One last note about the posts above: They were all posted on the old IslamiCity discussion board between the dates 5th August 2003 and 27th August 2003. Al-hamdu lillah, the re-posting of all the thread in a proper manner is finished now. As you, sister Nausheen, stated before elsewhere at this forum, it's been a long task to quote all the posts one by one. But it was necessary, it seems. And reading all of them is surely a much more tedious task! Please delete the other thread which cannot be viewed properly and neatly, at least in the computers I use. |
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POST 13: By an anonymous user: Deleted post! POST 14: By Ibn Hanbal: I don't know what relation this latest post has to do with the discussion at hand. What anonymous has posted here is an article titled "The Other Side of Sufism", filled with quotes from orientalists, the understandings of the orientalists and non-Muslims. They do not hesitate to quote and rely on non-Muslims to determine who is actually a Muslim! I don't think there is a need to reply to this latest article. If you want to know what the authentic science of Tasawwuf is, don't rely on those who are willing to propagate lies and falsehoods in order to achieve their designs. Nor does one, logically, go to the accuser to understand the beliefs of the accused. I have seen one reply to this article written online, people can take a look at it for a response: |
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POST 12: By Ibn Hanbal: All praise is for Allah who has made the scholars the inheritors of the Prophets, and the Peace and blessings of Allah be upon the Beloved Prophet, our master Muhammad. First, neither the wording nastagh�thu biras�lillah nor innahu l� yustagh�thu b� innam� yustagh�thu bill�h is found in any book of had�th and there is no chain for them! The reference to �al-Tabar�n� shows blind imitation of Ibn Taymiyya�s incorrect referencing of these wordings to al-Tabar�n�s al-Mu�jam al-Kab�r in al-Radd �al� al-Bakr� and Majm�� al-Fat�w�. Second, the correct wording in Ibn Sa�d's Tabaq�t, the Musnad, and al-J�mi� al-Sagh�r states that Ab� Bakr said: �Let us rise to the Messenger of All�h (saws) to seek help (q�m� nastagh�thu il� ras�lillah) against this hypocrite� whereupon the Prophet (saws) replied: �L� yuq�mu l� innam� yuq�mu lill�h � Not for me is redress sought but only for All�h.� So the reply of the Prophet (saws) does not address the means but the motivation and purpose of the Companions against the hypocrite. This is confirmed by another report in which �Umar asks permission to kill �Abd All�h ibn Ubay ibn Sal�l, whereupon the Prophet (saws) said: �Leave him lest people say that Muhammad kills his companions!� Third, the chain of the report L� yuq�mu l� innam� yuq�mu lill�h contains an unnamed narrator in addition to �Abd All�h ibn Lah�a who is weak as indicated by al-Haytham� in Majma� al-Zaw�id (8:40), so the report is weak and wholly unfit to be adduced in matters of belief! Fourth, the report is not found other than in very few of the had�th compilations and is long-winded and quite improbable in its complete wording, hence Ibn Kath�r declared it �extremely strange� (ghar�b jiddan) in his Tafs�r (3:174). Fifth, the Companion in question is Ab� Bakr (May Allah be pleased with him), which would be a proof in itself � if the report were authentic � that istigh�tha from the Prophet (saws) cannot be shirk, since Ab� Bakr was of the most knowledgeable and strictest of Companions in Tawh�d! Sixth, the meaning of personal redress meant in Ab� Bakr�s phrase and the reply of the Prophet (saws) is confirmed by the extraordinary words Ab� Bakr spoke to Rab�a al-Aslam� [Narrated from Rab�a ibn Ka�b ibn M�lik by Ah.mad with a fair chain]� the Prophet�s (saws) servant � whom he regretted having insulted: �You will insult me back [in fair requital] or else I will seek the help of the Messenger of All�h (saws) against you! (aw la�asta�diyanna �alayka Ras�lall�h).�This is just one example from the many. Another example is their citing false and forged reports from the Imams in matters of Aqeeda [http://www.abc.se/~m9783/n/slfm_e.html]. We have already seen their rejection of the validity of tawassul, even when they are presented authentic narrations from the Messenger of Allah. Others of them scorn following of the established madhahib, yet they go on in strictly following a method of prayer deduced by Nasir al-Albani [based on his understanding of the sources] in his work. As for extremism, the main source of extremism today is eminating from those who have abandoned the established methodology of the majority, those who claim independence from the schools of thought in Jurisprudence. When they are confronted by other valid opinions, they reject them completely, claiming that their own position is solely correct. It is an established principle (Qawaid al-Fiqhiyya) of the Madhahib that we accept the establised and main positions of all of the schools, regardless of whether we agree with them. On the other hand, we notice that people who do not follow the schools of Fiqh claim that they alone have one true position in Fiqh, they often will even reject others as being "weak" or not strong. We are also aware of the abuse the scholars of Ahl ul-Sunna face by their scholars in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia [I have lived there for 5 years myself]. Many of these types of points are also mentioned by the contemporary scholar Sayyid Yusuf al-Rifa'i in his Nasiha li Ikhwanina 'Ulama Najd [Advice to our Brothers, the scholars of Najd]. The scholars who would teach the Shafi'i madhhab in the sacred Masjid al-Nabawi were at one point banned and stopped from teaching [Shaykh 'Abdur Rahman al-Juhani, for example]. Shaykh Muhammad ibn 'Alawi, whose grand-father was an Imam of the sacred mosque in Makkah, was stopped from his teaching chair in the Makkan haram. Why? Because they did not agree with the Madhhabs. The Fiqh of the Four Madhhabs have been taught in the Haramayn for centuries, only to be stopped in our age [except for some of their own scholars who teach the Hanbali Madhhab]. Further examples of moral depravity is their abuse of the Muslims who visit the sacred land. I have personally seen this with my own eyes. They have guards and hoodlums posted at the noble grave of our Beloved [Peace and blessings be upon him], looking down upon Muslims, scoffing at them, giving them sinister looks, abusing visitors, trying to prevent them from supplicating to Allah on the spot. My own close friend was even pushed away by a staff [physically] when he approached the noble grave to send his greetings upon the Beloved Prophet. Many of the scholars of Najd simply do not allow any method of Fiqh other then their own in to be taught. The noble scholars of the region al-Ahsa [in Saudi Arabia], many of whom are Shafi'i in Madhhab, had established schools and institutions to teach Fiqh and the Islamic sciences. Many of these were literally shut down by your scholars of Najd. When they simply tried to hold private lessons in their homes, they were harassed and questioned by local police at the request of your religious authorities in power. Some of them even go around questioning the believers [one can see this in many countries] in inquisitions, asking them questions like "Where is Allah?", declaring others as innovators if the answer displeases them. This was also the exact method of the Khawarij, if you read history. Some of them label Muslims as Mu'tazilis and "philosophers", even though they themselves share beliefs with the Mu'tazila in the mockery they show towards the karamaat of the Awliya and their denial of the hearing and life of the deceased in the barzakh. They have also forbidden the Imams in mosques to make the Qunut in the Fajr prayer, claiming that it is a weak position that cannot be followed. They say such, even when it is the sound position in the Shafi'i and Maliki madhhabs to make the Qunut in Fajr. These are not the actions of the rulers of the kingdom, but the actions of those who call themselves the scholars of the kingdom. If this isn't extremism, then what is?! I have gone off topic here because you have made it a point to do so yourself, continuing in allegations against the believers, claiming to be sole followers of the Qur'an and Sunnah. I have only replied to you in relation to what you yourself have claimed in your post. The original discussion started out with establishing the truth of what Shaykh 'Abdul Qadir stated. I do not know if you bother to read the posts that others write, but I have already mentioned the general desirability of seclusion from the Sahih al-Bukhari and its commentary Fath al-Bari. You have made it a mission to mention spurious points against Tasawwuf that have no relation to what Shaykh 'Abdul Qadir stated. What he stated is completely correct concerning those who seek isolation, and the scholars mention that it is permissible in times of tribulation to seek isolation. Yes, it is true that one can associate with society and correct the wrongs, but nevertheless, it is still established from the narrations [mentioned before] that seeking isolation may be praiseworthy at times. You cannot explain the Hadiths in isolation of other narrations, simply sticking to one. Why is it that you quote from unknown sources, attacking anything to do with Tasawwuf, yet you do not even bother to look at authentic works of Tasawwuf? You will not look at authentic works, such as the Risala of Imam al-Qushayri, but instead you present quotes in order to reinforce your own preconcieved notions. When did Shaykh 'Abdul Qadir mention anything about a "khalwat khana"? As for your other points on imposing seclusion on oneself, do you know that some of the companions lived in very harsh conditions themselves, even when they had the opportunity to live in luxury? It is related that when Sayyidina 'Umar ibn al-Khattab visited Sayyidina Abu al-Dardaa [May Allah be pleased with them both] in Damascus, he saw how our master Abu al-Darda slept on the bare ground, on the small pebbles. He also did not have light in his home, nor a proper pillow. Was this prescribed by Allah upon them? When one of the Awliya choose to be in some isolation, or when they live in the world as strangers and travellers, do not accuse them of innovation and guard your tongue against harming yourself. I do not know of the narration you mentioned concerning Sayyidina Hatim al-Asamm [May Allah shower His Mercy upon him], but I do know that the Hadith master (Hafidh) Abu Nu'aym al-Asfahani mentions him with respect and eulogizes him in his renowned Hilyat al-Awliya wa Tabaqat al-Asfiya, as do many others. All that is correct and good is from Allah, the Creator of All things, Exalted is He. And praise is for Allah, His Peace and blessings be upon our master Muhammad, upon his family, his companions, and followers. |
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POST 11: By an anonymous user: "All of the scholars are agreed that our Imam, our Master, the light of his
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POST 9: By Pathseeker111 Thank you bro and sis....... POST 10: By Ibn Hanbal On 8/6/2003 1:59:00 PM, Anonymous wrote: Allah's Messenger, upon him be peace and blessings, once went to a garden in Madina with a few of his Companions. There was a very scrawny camel in a corner. On seeing God�s Messenger, it began to shed tears. The Messenger went to the camel and, after staying beside it for some time, severely warned the owner to feed the camel properly. As for the true scholars and inheritors of the Prophets, they too inherit from the Prophet and are sources of Mercy and guidance, with the permisison of Allah. How many times have the righteous enjoined people to do good and forbidden the wrong, and due to this, we may be averted from the wrath of Allah? 'Abdullah Ibn al-Mubarak [May Allah be pleased with him] relates that Sayyidina 'Umar [May Allah be pleased with him] said: 'Take your share of seclusion.' Hafidh Ibn Hajar continues: "How admirable is the statement of al-Junayd, may Allah grant benefit through his baraka: 'The endurance of seclusion is easier than forced politeness with company.' al-Khattabi said: 'There would be great good in seclusion even if it were to bring nothing more that safety from backbiting and from seeing evils which one cannot remove.' He [Ibn Hajar] then mentions the narration from the Prophet of Allah, our Beloved, Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him: "The way of the man who chooses seclusion is that he should view the people as being thereby secured from his own evil, not the other way around. For the former attitude leads to a belittling of one's nafs, which is a trait of the humble, while the latter impels one to view oneself as superior, and hence breeds arrogance." Further, another narration in Sahih al-Bukhari mentions the need for seclusion: Child, your scorning and belittling of God's deputies (Awliya) are a result of the little knowledge you have of God Almighty Himself. You belligerently accuse them: "Why do they not work like us to earn their livelihood? Why do they not mix with us?" You say it out of the ignorance of who you are. In fact, when you have so little knowledge of yourself, your understanding of people's worth is less than that. To the limited extent you know about this world and its consequences, you know even less of the hereafter and its worth; and to the limited extent you know about the hereafter, even less do you know God Almighty. O you who are toiling in this world, soon you will discover your losses, and soon you will suffer the agony of regret. These are your manifest signs for both this world and the hereafter. Greater will be your remorse on the day of reckoning, the day of mutual loss and gain, the day of defamation and exposure, the day of disappointment and loss. Judge yourself today, before the hereafter comes. The advice for us, from the saying of the Prophet of Allah is: |
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