Necessity of the Quran

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 That was good while it lasted. But bible NT was not for ever. The christian firends should note that at least the Muslims believe in Jesus and Moses and Issac, all. The christians could not do such a good thing.

 We have no problem about bible or Jesus. We have a book in which the subject of Jesus and bible is discussed very well. But christians do not believe even though Jesus went away very soon giving them the good news for the future. They manipulated that good news. So they cannot be helped now.

 The good news was never paul or saul of Tarsus. There was nothing about Saul from Jesus during his life time. The important thing was the good news about parclete. Nothing about Saul. Nothing about Saul in the life time of Jesus and nothing in the gospels too. How come Saul came and took over the whole religion? That has created major differences between christianity and Islam.

 Please remember that the Jews who had migrated to Afghanistan had converted to christianity in the first century A.D. They became christians and very faithful ones. When Islam came, the same Afghans (christians) heard about the prophet Muhammad and after some checking, they all  became Muslims (600-700 A.D.) Why those Afghans who had converted to christianity became Muslims 1300 years ago? It only means that they had the right knowledge.

 There is no harm in believing what suits a person. That person will have to answer for the belief and for the deeds. There is no compulsion.

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minuteman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 25 March 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1642	Post Options Post Reply Quote minuteman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Necessity of the Quran Posted: 13 April 2008 at 3:02am
	That was good while it lasted. But bible NT was not for ever. The christian firends should note that at least the Muslims believe in Jesus and Moses and Issac, all. The christians could not do such a good thing. We have no problem about bible or Jesus. We have a book in which the subject of Jesus and bible is discussed very well. But christians do not believe even though Jesus went away very soon giving them the good news for the future. They manipulated that good news. So they cannot be helped now. The good news was never paul or saul of Tarsus. There was nothing about Saul from Jesus during his life time. The important thing was the good news about parclete. Nothing about Saul. Nothing about Saul in the life time of Jesus and nothing in the gospels too. How come Saul came and took over the whole religion? That has created major differences between christianity and Islam. Please remember that the Jews who had migrated to Afghanistan had converted to christianity in the first century A.D. They became christians and very faithful ones. When Islam came, the same Afghans (christians) heard about the prophet Muhammad and after some checking, they all became Muslims (600-700 A.D.) Why those Afghans who had converted to christianity became Muslims 1300 years ago? It only means that they had the right knowledge. There is no harm in believing what suits a person. That person will have to answer for the belief and for the deeds. There is no compulsion.

honeto Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Islam Joined: 20 March 2008 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 2487	Post Options Post Reply Quote honeto Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 April 2008 at 10:17am
	Hi Joe, it is true that whatever referance you or anyone will use from the Bible, it is not valid for a Muslim because as I have said before that the arrival of Quran was only to the fact that what was revealed through Jesus (pbuh) was no longer in its pure form, thus could not guide humanity anymore toward their salvation. The only reason I and many of us use Biblical referances is only for those who do believe in it and may consider it. But many hate to accept a quote when it goes against them, and they try to find hidden meanings while the obvious meaning are there. Through many quotes posted accross this forum I have tried to show that how the present form of the Gospel and the rest of the Bible is flawed and have impirints of man's handiwork, how can it guide us toward the truth if it does not stand by its own statements. God loves us, and through His Mercy, He did not forget us to be lost. God provided us with His pure word of guidance through the Quran. I would strongly encourage you to study the Quran, with open eyes,mind and heart, as the goal of us all is to get to the truth and nothing less. And if I can be of any help, don't hesitate to ask. Hasan Edited by honeto - 11 April 2008 at 10:20am
	The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62

jusaskin Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 28 July 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 75	Post Options Post Reply Quote jusaskin Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 April 2008 at 4:08pm
	Hasan, Thanks for taking the time to provide me with your clarifications. the Quran was a replacement for the Gospel I think that about says it all. I'm seeing through my posts and scanning around the forum that no matter what reference a Christian gives, if a Muslim thinks it's not in accordance with Islam, it's wrong .... end of discussion. I came here to see if I could get a better understanding of Islam, and I think I'm about at the end of my search for now. It's been very enlightening. Thanks for your help!
	joe

honeto Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Islam Joined: 20 March 2008 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 2487	Post Options Post Reply Quote honeto Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 April 2008 at 4:38pm
	Hi Joe, I hope to clarify things a bit. First, we believe that this world and humanity had a begining (with Adam, pbuh) and one day (only God know when) it must end. We also believe that since Adam and through Mohammed (pbut) God have sent guidance for mankind. Torah, Zabor, Ingeel and the Quran are fimiliar examples of these messages of guidance. As man forgot or altered a guidance sent by God, it (the message of guidance) was replaced by a pure one through a new prophet. Thus we believe that Gospel was a replacement for guidance sent before it and the Quran was a replacement for the Gospel after it was no longer pure due to alterations. And there was a neccesity for a pure word of God so the humanity still could be guided. Thus it was the reinstatement of God's message for mankind in the form of Quran. And like I said, this world has an end and therefore some message was going to be the final, it is the Quran. Also in my understanding of the Quran, each people will be judged by the guidance revealed for their time. For example, before the Quran was revealed Gospel was the last guidance sent by God, so according to my understanding those who lived before the Quran was revealed will be judged by the Gospel (in its original form) sent through Jesus (pbuh). Once the Quran was revealed, it becomes the critarian for those of us that live after its revelation. Joe, I hope I cleared a few things for you, that was my intention atleast! Hasan Edited by honeto
	The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62

jusaskin Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 28 July 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 75	Post Options Post Reply Quote jusaskin Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 April 2008 at 12:28pm
	Thanks for the verses, they are of great help! I must admit to getting myself very confused as I read them in context, and did some further research on the subject. What I have concluded thus far is that the Quran contains statements that it is to be the final arbiter of all the messages that precede it, yet at times the Torah and Gospel are themselves to be examined for enlightenment. Concerning the use of the word "Gospel", it seems to be a rather peculiar translation since it means "good news" or "good message". This "good news" is the proclamation of Jesus having come with the fulfillment of God's promise of salvation for mankind; a message denied by Islam. I further understand that "Injeel" or "injil" is an unsettled term, meaning either the four Gospels, the entire New Testament, or some undetermined message given to Jesus. And while I don't mean to be annoying, it seems odd that a specific term spoken by God, and of such great importance, would still be in question. Perhaps you can give me your opinion on these matters of confusion.
	joe

Shasta'sAunt Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Female Joined: 29 March 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1930	Post Options Post Reply Quote Shasta'sAunt Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 April 2008 at 6:58pm
	Such verses exist throughout the entire Quran. However, here are a few that might help: 14:1 Alif. Lam. Ra. (14,1) A DIVINE WRIT [is this -a revelation] which We have bestowed upon thee from on high in order that thou might bring forth all mankind, by their Sustainer's leave, out of the depths of darkness into the light: onto the way that leads to the Almighty, the One to whom all praise is due - (Ibrahim) 16:64 And upon thee [too] have We bestowed from on' high this divine writ for no other reason than that thou might make clear unto them all [questions of faith] on which they have come to hold divergent views, and [thus offer] guidance and grace unto people who will believe. (An-Nahl) 3:3 Step by step has He bestowed upon thee from on high this divine writ, setting forth the truth which confirms whatever there still remains [of earlier revelations]: for it is He who has bestowed from on high the Torah and the Gospel (Al-Imran) 5:48 And unto thee [O Prophet] have We vouchsafed this divine writ, setting forth the truth, confirming the truth of whatever there still remains of earlier revelations and determining what is true therein. Judge, then, between the followers of earlier revelation in accordance with what God has bestowed from on high, and do not follow their errant views, forsaking the truth that has come unto thee. Unto every one of you have We appointed a [different] law and way of life. And if God had so willed, He could surely have made you all one single community: but [He willed it otherwise] in order to test you by means of what He has vouchsafed unto, you. Vie, then, with one another in doing good works! Unto God you all must return; and then He will make you truly understand all that on which you were wont to differ. (Al-Ma'idah) Edited by Shasta'sAunt
	�No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.� Eleanor Roosevelt

jusaskin Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 28 July 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 75	Post Options Post Reply Quote jusaskin Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 April 2008 at 2:05pm
	I assume God must have had a purpose for giving Muhammad, through the angel Gabriel, all the information contained in the Quran. We see in the Bible where God explains why He established the Hebrew nation and the Church of Christianity, so I'm thinking that He would do the same with the Quran. I'm not saying that God had to explain why He wanted a Quran, just that I presume He did. And assuming also that His purpose was revealed within the Quran, I was wondering if someone would direct me to those verses?
	joe