13th question about islam

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   "Rajam is a religious law of punishment in islam as well it was in shariah of Moses peace be upon him as well. For reference you should read Quran chapter 5 verse 45."

Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread) 

5:45 We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong-doers. 

Are you saying this Ayat orders stoning? Stoning as a punishment is not found in The Quran.

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Shasta'sAunt Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Female Joined: 29 March 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1930	Post Options Post Reply Quote Shasta'sAunt Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: 13th question about islam Posted: 06 June 2008 at 9:08am
	"Rajam is a religious law of punishment in islam as well it was in shariah of Moses peace be upon him as well. For reference you should read Quran chapter 5 verse 45." Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread) 5:45 We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong-doers. Are you saying this Ayat orders stoning? Stoning as a punishment is not found in The Quran.
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Hayfa Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Female Joined: 07 June 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2368	Post Options Post Reply Quote Hayfa Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 June 2008 at 6:04am
	Rape is one of the most difficult crimes to prosecute not matter the syastem. It often boils down to "he said, she said." In cases of DNA and forensics and such can prove that sexual activity took place. But the quiestion in social situations is consent. This is different if obvious battery took place as well. To prove rape case in other circumstances is very difficult.. you are on a date, at work only.. proof is hard to come by. People get the witness stuff all mixed up. It varies for different type of crimes. As far as financial transactions, one should have things written, but in cases of not, having two women is a safe-gaurd for the women. That is how I look at it. Not that women cannot remember (my memory is better than most people) but that people often try and take advantage of women. Business is typically a "man's world," no matter the culture. It is best to bring a friend to protect yourself. This is actually quite coomon sense. I watch some of the ocurtr TV shows and so many people either don't write things down or don't have a witness and thus have a hard time proving their case.
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Saladin Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 04 September 2007 Location: Sri Lanka Status: Offline Points: 575	Post Options Post Reply Quote Saladin Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 June 2008 at 5:25am
	There is no pnishment such as stoning for adultry / fornication. The punshment for Zina (adultry / fornication) is 100 lashes only. It is obligatory (Faradh) and should be carried out in the open air in the presence of many people. (Surah Noor verses 1-2). I agree. The quran is clear about that. Stoning to death is a capital punishment and cannot be carried out unless it is mentioned in the Quran. The stoning to death of the fornicators/ adulterers as mentioned in the Torah is not applicable to Muslims (after the revelation of verses of Surah Noor). We can see capital punishment for crimes besides Qisas, in the Quran, in this verse. "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom. (5:33) Well, two crimes are mentioned here deserving capital punishment. 1.Making war against Allah and his messenger. 2.Striving after corruption in the land. Zina by a married or unmarried person like once or low key and then repentant, may not deserve capital punishment. Theirs will be the 100 lashes as in verse 24:2. But what if serial fornicators, rapists, serial rapists, or prostitutes are on the loose, striving for and causing corruption in the land with their lechery, rapes or prostitution, would not these then deserve the punishment mentioned in 5:33, for striving after corruption in the land? Edited by Saladin - 06 June 2008 at 5:38am
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minuteman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 25 March 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1642	Post Options Post Reply Quote minuteman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 June 2008 at 3:18am
	There is no pnishment such as stoning for adultry / fornication. The punshment for Zina (adultry / fornication) is 100 lashes only. It is obligatory (Faradh) and should be carried out in the open air in the presence of many people. (Surah Noor verses 1-2) Stoning to death is a capital punishment and cannot be carried out unless it is mentioned in the Quran. The stoning to death of the fornicators/ adulterers as mentioned in the Torah is not applicable to Muslims (after the revelation of verses of Surah Noor). Rape is something different. That may need capital punishment or some other kind of severe punishment. The 100 lashes is only for the wiliing fornicators and adulterers. There is no secret meaning in the verses 24:1-2 and other verses of Surah Noor.

Saladin Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 04 September 2007 Location: Sri Lanka Status: Offline Points: 575	Post Options Post Reply Quote Saladin Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 June 2008 at 2:59am
	Salaam Alaikum Tariq, I haven't come upon a hadith asserting, that four witnesses are required to prove a rape. Evidence is certainly needed but evidence in the form of four or more witnesses is what i'm skeptical about. What if a woman was raped and there were 1,2 or 3 witnesses or forensics to prove the rape? Would such evidence still be invalid? If its so, then a woman raped and unlucky to not have 4 to testify, will have to forget about justice in this world and all a rapist has to do, to evade punishment is to ensure that not more than 3 witness the act. I hope people in the know would clarify this for me.
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	The man standing by watching to be witness is guilty!
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Tariq Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 09 May 2008 Location: Pakistan Status: Offline Points: 50	Post Options Post Reply Quote Tariq Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 May 2008 at 5:47am
	Dna tests and Forensics are new techniques and as well as there are not trustable and authentic because there are probabilities in having match 1 It could be mistaken and execution could be given on the false observation. 2 There are chances of bribery , that some use unfair means of making good an evil and evil in to good . Like the media always do in the west about islam by picking up the black sheeps adn show them as a resemblence of islam. 3 The Laws of shariah requires 100 percent witness and authentic proof not just microscopic evidence . Which judge or majistrate cant see it.

Tariq Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 09 May 2008 Location: Pakistan Status: Offline Points: 50	Post Options Post Reply Quote Tariq Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 May 2008 at 5:45am
	Dna tests and Forensics are new techniques and as well as there not trustable and authentic because there are propbabilities in having match, 1 It could be mistaken and execution could be given on the false observation, 2 There are chances of bribery , that some use unfair means of making good an evil and evil in to good . Like the media always do in the west about islam by picking up the black sheeps adn show them as a resemblence of islam. 3 The Laws of shariah requires 100 percent witness and authentic proof not just microscopic evidence . Which judge or majistrate cant see it.