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Whisper 
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 Topic: Can ANY Moderator have the couragePosted: 29 August 2008 at 8:30pm |
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Whisper let us be clear (and I don't have to use upper cae words to show you) that the thread "Hatred within the Abrahamic Faiths" is not as how you put it in the following: Yaar�m Israfil, when we use the term Ibrahimic faiths we can�t just go and base our thesis just on the nominal percentage of bad apples we have in any faith or community. I have been here longer than you and I have seen the transition form the old forum to the new forum and nowadays we are getting a lot of indidividuals who make comments regarding other people of different faiths (primarily of the Abrhamic umbrella) in a negative way. Yes, they do, but what�s the proportion of these to that of the millions who live in peace with each other across the globe? The thread was not about covering 4,700 years (which is an exaggeration since Christianity is only 2500 years and Judaism 3000+ years) but about tackling on why we make comments about Christianity and Judaism. Hazrat Ibrahim was born, near Urfa in Turkey just around 4732 years ago. Most of my Jewish friends would refute your claim that Judaism has just 3000 years of history. As you can see, the State Department has nothing to do with the prvious thread nor the opinions said in the closed thread. Political statements should be made and exercised in thread where politics is discussed. My friend, though our ex and present colonial masters would very much like us to treat politics and religion as some separate segments of our lives - for their own advantage and to mask their dirty tricks - but these are welded together as far as we go. They strive hard to show us that it was Hazrat Ibrahim who is to blame for what�s going on between the Israelis and the Palestinians - not how we have been fingering the Mid East. Please let me just assure you that the 781 years of el-Andalus and around 600 years of Osmania Turkiye are established examples of co-existence and in some cases of absolute love between the Ahl e Kitaab. Up to the 12th century, Islam was viewed as an extension of Christianity and Haroon er Rasheed and St John used to be drinking companions who regularly discussed their faith based matters, in stolen evenings. These hatreds you have all been discussing were rolled into action by our Hang Low Sexnon colonisers who eyed to poison and capture the juicy Middle East - just soon after the Greek wars - circa 1832. Please I beg of you not to slander my ambiya ikraam (Prophets) for all the muck created by your State Department and their English Speaking cousins from this side of the Atlantic. |
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Posted: 26 August 2008 at 1:33pm |
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Whisper let us be clear (and I don't have to use upper cae words to show you) that the thread "Hatred within the Abrahamic Faiths" is not as how you put it in the following:
then we have to COVER the whole 4,700 years of the faiths' period and every single place, on our earth, where we happen to find these faiths flourishing.
If you had takent he time to read the beginning statement that I made:
"I'm sure any rational moderator who has taken the time to actually read some of the posts can understand that there is some underline hatred for people of other Abrahamic faiths."
I have been here longer than you and I have seen the transition form the old forum to the new forum and nowadays we are getting a lot of indidividuals who make comments regarding other people of different faiths (primarily of the Abrhamic umbrella) in a negative way. The thread was not about covering 4,700 years (which is an exaggeration since Christianity is only 2500 years and Judaism 3000+ years) but about tackling on why we make comments about Christianity and Judaism. When I mage the statement "has anyone read the Mish'nah Torah?" I was merely asking the question if any Muslim outside reading the Bible and Christian comments have any knowledge on Judaism itself.
It appears Muslims on this website who argue against Christians know more about the Bible to argue against Christians than know about Judaism itself. I've seen comments here in the past made against Jews regarding Judaism that were totally inaccurate and false and the same with Christians and the same against us. So this goes into a deeper questioning on why WE (I include myself in the WE by the way) make comments on things we don't know? So after all of these criticisms of people of other faiths it makes me think that there is some underlined hatred whether it is called hatred via by words or undertones through stated sentences here on the forum-itappears to be hatred.
This doesn't include outside this forum such as what we see on the streets in our respective communities. Whisper you may live in a peaceful enclave full of respectful people of different faiths, but like the laws of physics for every one 'positive' there is also a 'negative.' Do I think on a general level there are more decent religionist than not? Sure. Just like I believe there are more decent human beings on this planet than indecent human beings.
But it seems with your appearence and activity in that discussion you make it political. You blame other entities (sometimes with good reason) but you keep taking away individual responsibility. You mention you notice things about me well I notice you like to play the blame game a lot on Washington and other entities for the behaviors of other human beings. I guess you don't blame washington for Nur_Ilahi's statements on calling me a fake Muslim when in judging someone who could possibly be a devout Muslim you chose to remain silent. Must I also remind you that apart of unwritten Islamic law is to not judge a Muslim one doesn't know. She had done that constantly and consistently and regardless of what I say my faith in God, Muhammad or Islam should have nothing to do with my response especially if they do not address such. But I guess its not Washington's fault or it is?
Instead of Hijacking discussions with your political poison because you are pissed off, perhaps you'd do better in sending me a private message on your anger than personalizing it. I don't know you and you don't know me and I personally cannot attack you on your faith if I don't know you and vis-a-vis.
Without even talking about the thread we can see here as an example of underlined anger if not hatred:
We can't just come to possess a keyboard and knock the Imrahimi faiths out just because the State Department spins this line to mask their misdeeds across the world and especially in the land where Ibraheem had wandered and spread the Message, not his message, but our Creator's Message!
As you can see, the State Department has nothing to do with the prvious thread nor the opinions said in the closed thread. Political statements should be made and exercised in thread where politics is discussed. So although you ar eknown here for your satirical lingo, it honestly makes no sense to even make these statements in threads that don't warrant them you only further disrupt it. Frankly, the thread was spirraling out of control anyway and so your comments only added fuel to the fire. Coming in the thread late without reading from beginning to present also hurts your responses because none what I said in that thread accuses everyone of hatred but I merely pointed towards things said here that are considered 'hateful.' |
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Posted: 21 August 2008 at 5:10am |
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LOL!! You surely don't call them an idiot!!
Didn't realise that idiot had become such a taboo word, especially, since we have had a bumper crop of them in our world.
I think, I do happen to know as much, but it's that you can not "address" someone as an idiot. It's not some forbidden word that CAN NOT be used as a general term.
Sincerely hope you understand that and if you don't I promise, on my scout's honour, I will not call you . . . .
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Posted: 21 August 2008 at 4:32am |
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LOL!! You surely don't call them an idiot!!
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Whisper
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Posted: 20 August 2008 at 7:30pm |
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Ron, what do you say or how do you question if he or she does lack courage? How do you challemge if some idiots have entered a wrong string?
Please, read my post and tell me how sythetic I should have been. General reference to Aesop's four blind men is not really ad whatever.
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Posted: 20 August 2008 at 2:22pm |
Perhaps I can help. A personal attack is a logical fallacy more formally known as "argumentum ad hominem abusive", or "argumentum ad personam". According to Wikipedia, it "consists of criticizing or attacking the person who proposed the argument (personal attack) in an attempt to discredit the argument."
An example might be implying that your opponent is a coward (i.e., lacks courage). Edited by Ron Webb - 20 August 2008 at 2:22pm |
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Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect.
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Posted: 20 August 2008 at 12:37pm |
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I will be grateful to be educated about Personal Attacks.
What I have said of Washington is borrowed from Bertrand Russel, it's just another matter that the past 50 years of adulthood have made me agree with Russel's thesis.
I have tried all morning to find the words to thank you for closing this slanderous string:
Hatred within the Abrahamic faiths
The topic suggests as if the Abrahimic Faiths are nada more than mere hatred pots. And an Ahle e Kitaab has hatred dripping all over the place whenever one visits the corridors of the State Department.
It's no more than sheer slander.
History of the Ibrahimi Faiths and their followers paints an entirely differnt picture. I won't spent any more breath on that, I have done that a hundred times in this and almost every other forum where I have been allowed to stand.
I will just say that when we say Hatred within the Abrahamic faiths then we have to COVER the whole 4,700 years of the faiths' period and every single place, on our earth, where we happen to find these faiths flourishing.
We can't just come to possess a keyboard and knock the Imrahimi faiths out just because the State Department spins this line to mask their misdeeds across the world and especially in the land where Ibraheem had wandered and spread the Message, not his message, but our Creator's Message!
The great participants of this string reminded me of Aesop's Fables, after almost a good five decades. There has been a great deal of affection in these sister faiths, through out history. The three have had the Finest Civilisation Joint Ventures and these stand far better recorded than Tony Blair's cabinet meetings.
Today, in the wake of all that Big Budget War Mongering we need all our energies for healing the wounds caused by the Washington and London based gangs.
The people who are hate filled are no more than a mere POINT 8 percent in any society. This percentage will be a little less when we count the sickness based on religion. The Israelis turkey shooting those Palestinians and the Palestinians blowing poor Israelis kids away HAS NADA WITH RELIGION - IT'S THE POLITICS OF OIL AND POWER SET IN BY THE COLONISERS AND SINCE CONTRACTED OUT TO WASHINGTON.
So if any idiot slanders Hazrat Ibraheem or any one of my other prophets, I am not much of a Muslim, BUT I will blow their heads off with all the energy my Creator has granted me.
"All the hatred in the world and all other problems rise from Washington".
I didn't say that. Lord Bertrand Russel did. He was absolutely and established English and a proper Lord at that. Do you wish to jump through that window or just sulk?
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Posted: 20 August 2008 at 12:24pm |
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Dear All,
In general we don't like to close any discussion, however sometimes there is problem with the direction of the discussion, we try to stick to the guidelines. One of the problem that quite often is personal attack.
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