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Shams Zaman
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Brothers and sisters Peace be on you all! These should be the basic Questions for all those who have wisdom and who use their mind: (1) Who are we and where do we come from? (2) Where do we go after death? (3) What is all this around us? Millions and millions of Galaxies, stars and planets. Who has organised them in such a manner? Who is the creator of all these trillions and trillions of countless atoms which has such a complex system that we still don�t understand yet? (4) Is all this creation just BY CHANCE? So the logical conclusion is that if a Boeing 747, or the space shuttle, or the super computer can�t be created just from no where how come such a complex system of universe and human was created BY CHANCE? We cannot point out even a single thing in the known human history which was created BY CHANCE except for this universe. A few days ago the famous and leading world Cosmologist Sir Roger Penrose (who is very close associate of Stephen Hawking) while talking in the BBC�s Hard Talk responded to a question in similar way. Once he was asked that, can we create Human Robots or Human Machines in the laboratories? He straight away responded in NO (meaning a robot in relation to physics and not a genetic model). He said that there is a missing ingredient which is yet not explainable or conceivable but it certainly is not present in machines and is unique to Humans, may be conscious or my be emotions. So once asked that do you believe that this is the creation of GOD, although he said I won�t specifically say that in context of some religion but I do think that this unknown creation or ingredient is too complex to be termed as self-created. May be there is some intelligent force about which we do not know yet. Mr. Penrose was certainly talking about the �SPIRIT� or the �SOUL� known as �ROOH� in Arabic. The Quran says about this in 17:85, �And they ask you about the soul. Say: The soul is of the commands of my Lord, and you have not been given knowledge but a little�. Here it is not said that you now don�t understand the nature of the soul, but it is said that this knowledge (the knowledge of Amar-ul-Allah, or God�s orderly world is beyond the human perception). Human understanding is limited to the Physical and a portion of metaphysical world. Similarly, we can not perceive or explain God in physical terms. Only we can identify Him trough the various characteristics as mentioned in Quran (Samad, Rahim, Rahman, Qadir, etc) ever sustainer, creator of everything, Alone, extremely kind, absolutely independent, ever-lasting, self-existent, has power/control over all etc. In Quran at 16:74, it is said, �So do not give likeliness for Allah; surely Allah knows and you do not know�. At another place it is said that there is even no example of even His similitude. Everything has been created by someone, like computers, aircrafts, similarly this whole Universe and life is created by Allah. Most atheists will ask that if everything has a creator then, WHO CREATED ALLAH? The answer to this question is that creation is linked with time, (like aircraft was created in early 1900 etc) but Allah has no beginning and no end therefore He is self-existent, ever-living and has no beginning. The question of His existence would have come in if He is to be considered as existent from a particular time onwards. This can be explained as to what is the last digit in counting or numbers? Surely there is no last digit and the counting goes to infinity. But Allah is unique his existence is since ever and for ever. He has no ends. So who is Allah,the answer is given in Ch- 112 of Quran: �1. Say: He, Allah, is One (the word used here is AHAD means who is one and alone, like I am one but there are billions of other persons like me but Allah is the one only). 2. Allah is He on Whom all depend (here word SAMAD is used meaning one who is absolutely independent, who is self-sustaining, answerable to no one, independent of all while all other are solely dependent on Him, who is self-existent and everyone else is existing due to Him alone, etc. This is very wide ranging word with no equivalent in any other language). 3. He begets not, nor is He begotten. (Neither he has any creator nor any father/mother nor any wife or children. He is above all these things). 4. And there is nothing like Him.� Brother someguy says that: we have wasted this life by submitting to the religious demands and all religions are wrong and Allah will judge him according to his understanding of God. Moreover, he says that Quran is not word of God and why God will leave such a pain, starvation and suffering in this world if He is all merciful. While brother Howard asked that: why we Muslims use word Allah for the God while all other people call the creator in their own native tongue. Brother someguy you are in some regards absolutely right and indeed you have a thinking mind. May Allah guide you to the truth. You are right in saying that most of us waste our lives while following the demands of various (man made) religions. Remember Islam is not a man made religion but a �natural way of living� Deen-e-fitrah. As said in 2:213. �The whole of mankind was a single nation; so (once they start dividing amongst themselves) Allah raised Prophets as bearers of good news (about heaven) and as Warner (of hell), and He revealed with them the Book with truth....�. Also in The question arise that if we all were on one grid then why Allah did not kept us all on one track? The answer is given in and in 11:7, �And He (is Allah) Who created the heavens and the earth in six days(or stages) and His dominion (extends) on the water, so that He might manifest to you, which of you is best in deeds....� also in 53:31, �And to Allah belong what is in the heavens and what is in the earth, that He may reward those who do evil according to their deeds, and (that) He may reward those who do good according to their good deeds�. So the option is ours whether we want to conduct ourselves in an evil way or in a righteous manner. This is not OUR LIFE this is life given to us by ALLAH, so we should go according to his commandments. Can you tell your face not to grow beard? No because Allah has not given you this mandate, but only you can shave it off or remove it through laser. Or can you tells your hands to grow in length, after all its your own hands? No! but you can use them either to help someone or kill someone. This is where God have given you the mandate. So why is there so much of pain and starvation? Well this is also for a test. If Allah has given someone wealth it is for his test that whether he spends it for the needy and poor or just keeps it to himself. As said in 2:264, �O you who believe! do not make your charity worthless by reproach and being harsh (in asking for return), like him who spends his property just to be seen by other people and does not believe in Allah and the last day; so his parable is as the parable of a smooth rock with earth upon it, then a heavy rain falls upon it, so it leaves it bare (washing away all his good deeds); they shall not be able to gain anything of what they have earned; and Allah does not guide the unbelieving people. 267. O you who believe! spend (benevolently) of the good things that you earn and or what We have brought forth for you out of the earth, and do not aim at disposing off the bad things in charity, of which you would not take it yourselves except with disdain, and know that Allah is Self-sufficient, Praiseworthy. 268. Shaitan (devil) threatens you with poverty and enjoins you to be miser, and Allah promises you forgiveness and His blessings in abundance; and Allah is Ample-giving, Knowing�. Also in Chapter-104, �1. Woe to every slanderer, defamer, 2. Who amasses his wealth and then keep it counting (with an aim to increasing it); 3. He thinks that his wealth will make him immortal. 4. Nay! he shall most certainly be hurled into the crushing disaster, 5. And what will make you realize what the crushing disaster is? 6. It is the fire kindled by Allah, 7. Which leaps over above the hearts....� Brother, this life is not an end in itself but provides us with means to achieve an end. That end of which has no limits, where there will be no misery or pain so if you still thank Allah even in misery then you pass the test, as said in, 3:186 �You shall certainly be tested respecting your wealth/property and your lives, and you shall certainly hear from those who have been given the Book before you and from those who are polytheists very painful and annoying things; and if you remain patient and guard (against evil), surely these are among most steadfast affairs�. 2:155. �And We will most certainly try you with fear(of enemy) and hunger and loss of property and lives and fruits/crops; and give good news to those who remain patient�. �Do you think that you would enter the heaven while the state of those who passed away before you has not yet come upon you; distress and affliction befell on them and they were shaken violently....� (2:214) 29:2-3 �Do people think that they will be left away only on saying, We believe, and they will not be tested? 3. And certainly We tried those before them, so Allah will certainly judge who are true (believers) and those who are liars�. Your statement saying that Quran is not the word of God is a sweeping statement, without reading it giving such statement is unfair. If you have some evidence then I would like it to be shared by all of us. If you can get these books do read them �STRUGGLING TO SURRENDER� and �EVEN ANGELS ASK� by Jeffery Lang. And the other �The Bible Quran and Science � The Holy scriptures examined in the light of science� by Dr. Maurice Bucaille. Dr. Bucaille is a surgeon by profession and resides in Finally answering, Why we say Allah and not �God� in our native languages, because it�s the most purest word. Like with God if you add �ess� it become godess. Regarding Yahweh it�s a tribal god with having no concern with complete human kind except for Jews. But it is not forbidden to call God in our native language but there should be no image or concept attached to that word. Like Hindus have many gods and every god has some image. Therefore no name of Hindu god can be attributed for Allah. As said in 7: 180, �And to Allah belong the best/beautiful names, therefore call on Him thereby, and leave alone those who violate the sanctity of His names; they shall be recompensed for what they did�. 20:8 �Allah; there is no god but He; His are the very best names�. 59:24 � He is Allah the Creator, the Maker, the Fashioner; His are the most excellent names....� Hope brother Someguy will ponder on as to who is Allah to come out of his agnostic shell! Shams zaman |
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Though I am not Muslim, I consider myself monotheist and would like to comment on a few things.
If all things end at the grave, then nothing, in any ultimate sense, is "wasted". The "achievement" one gains through acquiring enourmous material wealth, chasing beautiful women and driving luxerious cars is temporal, fleeting and meaningless after your death. In other words, if all life ends at the grave, it matters not if one lives life as a Stalin or as a Saint.
That is a possiblity in the strict sense of the word. However it is also possible to determine the likelihood of following the correct path through critical analyses, logical consistency, historical authenticity, etc., and thus, decrease your probability of following the wrong path.
Indeed, which is why it is not our place to pass eternal judgements on people.
The question is only legitimate if you posit the existence of an objective good as well. One cannot posit an objective evil without also positing an objective good, and to posit both an objective evil and an objective good, one must also posit the existence of a LawGiver. If you would accept these premises, you can see why, instead of relying on our temporal, fallible moral judgements as to the actions of the LawGiver, we should instead trust in His character, which would, strictly logically speaking (if He was Perfect, He must also be perfect in every way, including a perfect morality) be Perfect, and as such, although we might not be able to discern the ultimate goodness in such apparently evil actions, we should trust that in some ultimate sense, God truly knows, as well as acting, best in every situation. In other words, if Allah is perfect, He must be perfect in every way, and if He is perfect in every way, then every action he makes, must also be perfect, including the deceptive nature of apparently evil acts.
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Kitaab At-Tawheed, Chapter: 49 Allah's Words: " The Most Beautiful Names Are For Allah, So Call on Him by Them" Allah, Most High says:
Allah (swt ), Most Glorified, Most High, informs us in this verse that His Names are of the utmost beauty and that He (swt ) is Most Perfect and Complete in all of His Divine Attributes, then He (swt ) tells us that we should supplicate Him using these Names, in order that our prayers be answered and that they be answered quickly. Then He (swt ), Most High, commands us to avoid those who reject His Names or knowingly alter their meanings in order to suit their deviated understanding of Tawheed. Then He (swt ), Almighty, All-powerful, warns them of the condign punishment which awaits those who deny His Names and Attributes on the Day of Resurrection. The rule regarding Allah's Names and Attributes is that we do not ascribe to Him any name or attribute which is not found in the Qur'an or the authentic Ahadith of the Prophet (saas ), and we reject all names and attributes which He (swt ) and His Messenger (saas ) have rejected, and we remain silent concerning matters connected with His Names and Attributes about which we have no knowledge.Ibn Abi Hatim reported on the authority of Ibn `Abbas (ra ) that he said: "Those who belie or deny His Names are guilty of Shirk." Relevance of This Narration to the Subject of the Chapter and to the Subject of Tawheed That the narration proves that Ibn `Abbas (ra ) held that ascribing Allah's Names to idols is an act of denial of those Names and it is confirmed that those who do so are guilty of Shirk. ..ooOOoo.. It is reported on the authority of Al-A'amash that he said that they used to ascribe names to Allah which were not His. Relevance of This Narration to the Subject of the Chapter and to the Subject of Tawheed That the narration is evidence that Al-A'amash was of the view that calling Allah (swt ) by names which are not His is a denial of those Names and it has been confirmed that denial of Allah's Names is Shirk. (Plz see http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/tawheed/abdulwahab/ KT1-chap-49.html fo details). |
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bismillahi rahmani raheem,
i think muslims are more comfortable & used to calling God "Allah". we say Allah almost every instance, so it's natural. besides Allah, the Quran also called Him Rabb & 99 other names. so Allah Posseses many names, still "Allah" is the most used. for me personally, i like to say Allah because it refers to the Islamic belief more accurately. which is Allah, The One & Only God. Edited by firewall |
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Why do people writing in English refer to God as
Allah? Allah is an Arabic word. English speaking Christians don't call God Yahweh. French Christians say 'Dieu' German Christians say 'Gott' etc etc. Only Muslims in whatever language they speak call God by a name from a particular language. If an English-speaking person calls God 'Allah' does this mean that Allah is the proper name of God like Peter or Henry? Did Allah give himself the name Allah? Is Allah' s mother tongue Arabic? Does Allah prefer Arabic to any other language? Doesn't Allah like Japanese or Zulu? |
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Surah 109. The Disbelievers, Atheists
1. Say : O ye that reject Faith! 2. I worship not that which ye worship, 3. Nor will ye worship that which I worship. 4. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, 5. Nor will ye worship that which I worship. 6. To you be your Way, and to me mine. |
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Surah 2. The Cow
1. A.L.M. 2. This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah. 3. Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them; 4. And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter. 5. They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper. 6. As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe. 7. Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur). ------------------------------------------------------------ --------13. When it is said to them: "Believe as the others believe:" They say: "Shall we believe as the fools believe?" Nay, of a surety they are the fools, but they do not know. ------------------------------------------------------------ ------- 17. Their similitude is that of a man who kindled a fire; when it lighted all around him, Allah took away their light and left them in utter darkness. So they could not see. 18. Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). 19. Or (another similitude) is that of a rain-laden cloud from the sky: In it are zones of darkness, and thunder and lightning: They press their fingers in their ears to keep out the stunning thunder-clap, the while they are in terror of death. But Allah is ever round the rejecters of Faith! 20. The lightning all but snatches away their sight; every time the light (Helps) them, they walk therein, and when the darkness grows on them, they stand still. And if Allah willed, He could take away their faculty of hearing and seeing; for Allah hath power over all things. 21. O ye people! Adore your Guardian-Lord, who created you and those who came before you, that ye may have the chance to learn righteousness; 22. Who has made the earth your couch, and the heavens your canopy; and sent down rain from the heavens; and brought forth therewith Fruits for your sustenance; then set not up rivals unto Allah when ye know (the truth). 23. And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true. 24. But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith. |
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I don't see how I have wasted my life by going to church on sunday and doing humanitarian projects with my friends. I have made many wonderful friends and done many wonderful things with my church. I have put together aid packages for disaster victims and cleaned an elderly sister's house who could not do that herself. This I do not consider a waste. As for praying and reading my bible and Book of Mormon. They bring me comfort and answers in times when things are confusing. In sincere prayer, I have felt the Holy Spirit in my chest and know in my heart what my Heavenly Father has in store for me. I do not worry about endless pain. I do not worry if I'll be punished for the wrong decision. The God I worship is loving and kind. He judges us based on our deeds and our actions. I have a peace knowing that I will be judged for my works and not the sins of distant ancestors. My God is reasonable, he does understand doubt and insecurities. He also understands that man is tempted by Satan to turn from him. He understands that Satan wants us to be miserable like him. He expects us to rise above these temptations despite being human. And when we fail, he expects us to try harder next time and repent for our wrong doings. God sent us here to be tested, each of us has our own struggle and our own trials. God does not "create" greedy people. God loved us so much as to give us the freedom of choice. We can choose between good and evil. Men who are greedy and evil are that way because they choose to be. Men who are good, kind and caring are that way because it is the right choice, not because it is demanded. God does not create war, famine or plague. Many of these things have come from Man's own actions and no one elses. I have considered the teachings of many religions before I was baptized a Mormon. I spent many years declaring all religions to be evil and worshiping God in my own way. I could tell you alot about Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Wicca, and Shintao. I am only recently learning about Islam to get a better understanding of one of the fastest growing religions, with mine coming in second. The thing is, what you are doing is not opening yourself to learning and understanding. Instead you are demanding that others try to explain something to you that for most people is unexplainable. I can describe the burning in my chest when I pray for guidance or the love I feel when I sit in the Temple. But you cannot understand that until you open yourself up to the idea that it is real. Its the same for the Muslims here. They know in their heart that their way is the true path. This is a deeply personal thing between them and Allah. No one else can take that from them. We cannot help you unless you open your heart and truly desire to understand what faith really is and what it means. You must read and you must pray. There is a scripture I would like to share with you, its from the New Testament of the Bible. James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. If you truly want to know if Islam is the path or Christianity, or Judaism, then you need to learn to pray. Read and Pray. |
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