Why did Allah choose to have a son? - Event Date: 28 December 2011

I would say Christians are disciples of the new testament Jesus Christ.

I would say Muslims are disciples of Mohamed.

I think the intent of Friendship was to use the story of Elton John as an analogy to the concept of God having a son.    Somewhere along the line, the analogy got bogged down to many readers here.

The big error of Muslim theology regarding Jesus as the Son of God is that they base their position on humans fathering children, and applying those concepts  to God at the time Jesus was born to Mary.    But the Son of God goes all the way back to the point of creation. 

I submit this explanation.  Jesus said he existed before Abraham and before the creation of the world.   So we must ask ourselves first, how did God come into being?   That of course is an unanswerable question.

But let's reason that before creation, what was there?   There exists only God.  I think all muslims here will agree with me on that point.   Pre-creation, there cannot be God and empty space, because, one, where would have that empty space come from, and secondly it would mean that God has boundaries.

When God decided to create - since He was all there is - the only place that he could create is within Himself.    And since creation does have boundaries, unlike God, God had to designate within Himself the boundaries of creation.    

Within that boundary, God came forth from Himself in a form that creation could perceive Him.    That coming forth is called emanation.   He came forth from Himself, and created all things.    Thus, the term the Son of God.    The Lord of Heaven.   The Lord of Creation.    The creator of all things.   We as created beings can only know God within the boundaries of creation.   

And that is who Jesus was before entering the world as the son of Mary.   Jesus was the creator of all things.    Jesus said he came forth from the Father.   He was not talking about his birth into this world (which I think muslims are thinking).   Jesus was talking about before there was anything created.

It wasn't that God decided to have a Son.    The Son has always been God.   The Son is God coming forth from Himself at the time of creation to create all things, and as God perceivable to us created beings.    Moses perceived His back on Mt. Sinai, and the Children of Israel perceived His voice.... with eyes to see and ears to hear.

Doug L.  





Edited by Douggg - 28 May 2011 at 9:10am

   By the way, who does the Qur'an say was the father of Jesus?

Sign Reader, labeling the entire West as materialistic is no better than labeling the entire Muslim world as 7th century thinking. There are plenty of spiritual Westerners as there are plenty of modern Muslims.

I think Friendship has a way of telling how effed up the capitalistic and materialistic west is in mentioning the birth of a child through a process no different than used by the breeders whether cattle or pets...And he juxtaposed that with Jesus 's birth!
Now let's examine what are the facts:
A British singer named Elton John ( aka Sir =Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE)(Motto For God and Empire) becomes wife of an American Mr. David Furnish in 2005 ...
In 2010 this celebrity musician wanted a baby either through adoption if not then of his own making...Last Christmas day a baby boy is born of a California surrogate with egg from unknown source and Mrs. Furnish/ Sir John's  sperm as indicated on the birth certificate.

We all have seen onetime or another the showbiz celebrities have been doing all kinds of grotesque sex related antics like collecting pets, making babies without wedlock and lately they have been collecting human babies to attract more paparazzi running after them to satisfy the prurient interest of the sicko world...

The British monarchy has stood as vanguard of the Western Christianity (based on god having son)for longest period of time and I think Friendship has opened this as a case against her for her pretensions...
There are lots of people who for shear ignorance and or absence of real faith in their lives and society have come to worship these singers and entertainers in particular a substitute of divinity!
No matter how bizarre things they do, are signs their god sent under their own moral standards or rather absence there of! If you know somethings from Greek and Roman mythology you might see where are they coming from but not in the KJV if you are think about the motto of being a knight of the Brits Empire...

 There has been lots of discussion online and quite a few are just waiting to see how big a musical prodigy that newly bred kid would be? There have been all kinds of comments...Who knows what the kid will do?
When he gets out of high school his dad Sir Elton/Mrs. Furnish would be octogenarian along with dad's husband Mr. Furnish, just imagine the scene...Bizarre is not the right word!
That is what I see when Friendship said "Let commonsense prevail"
That why he quoted the signs from Quraan but I doubt most will see that way...


Edited by Sign*Reader - 11 January 2011 at 7:29pm