Dar al-Islam & Dar al-Kufr

Your knowledge is obviously not based on the classical juristic understanding of Islam and hence the absence of Shariah evidences.

Shari'a is an invention of Ibn Hanlafi, it is not within the Qu'ran. Shari'a does not need to be imposed per se in order to have an Islamic state. Shari'a is logically speaking anti-thetical to the free will, and thus is against the very conception of Islam and Allah. The only law which was ever imposed on an Islamic state was the Treaty btwn the prophet Muhammed and the non-believers of Medina (who were Jews prior to the prophet). Classical fiqh's in Islam can are often contradictory, and largley today are impossible to relate to the modern world, as I have told many Muslim friends of mine a massive Ijtihad must take place to tailor Islam to 2005 not 1405 and all my Muslim friends agree.

You are so ignorant of the history of European thought it disgusts me, actually if you knew anything the begining of liberalism and secularism were not European inventions but were derieved from Islamic teachings in Spain. Liberalism is actually heavily influenced by Islam, but of course your blind hatred and ignorance of the West blinded you to this. The Social Contract is actually a Islamic idea that Muhammed had created back in Medina about 1200 years before Europe even made the term up. The only person here whom is limited is you, its to bad that Muslims don't respect their own legacy.

Fiqhs is not Islam, the Ulema is not Allah made the distinction. Don't confuse interpretation with divinity of the Qu'ran. Its seems you cannot make the distinction (the disease of Taqleed) you not I cannot see the legitimacy of Islam as the legitimacy of Islam stems from its ability to adapt and change and not stay in a stationary state of Taqleed.

Sentence makes no sense, and has nothing to do with the conversation.

Of course, you are Muslim rejectionist...you won't accept the reality. Wither away...I know Muslims who see their weakness and are actually trying to do something to stop it. And not blowing themselves up, but by understanding what their religion really means not that politicalization of Islam you seem to believe in.

Community wrote: Exactly centuries ago, in the time when there was no religious freedom in the west, ofcourse muslims fought the west back then, with the label of them being dar al kufr, because a muslim could not live or call to his faith in those countries and was killed for being a muslim if he decided to live in those countries. So they were fought against just like the messenger of Allah and the faithful with him fought against the pagans who killed and tortured the muslims for their faith. Once the west implemented religious freedom it ment they would be left alone, most muslims stopped fighting right there, except some states who kept on fighting while using the faith for mere geographic-political reasons.

The opinion of the classical scholars (Abu Hanfiah, Shaafi) etc was directly based on evidence which still you have not refuted whereas your drivel above is purely your opinion.

You guys have already lost the argument because firstly, Muslims will never take Islam from disbelievers and secondly, the arguments they bring are simply shallow sound-bites and are never backed by islamic evidences as not 1 single person has refuted the evidences and understanding from the original post......still waiting.

The problem is really people choosing the words of men over the words of Allah(the koran).

Exactly centuries ago, in the time when there was no religious freedom in the west, ofcourse muslims fought the west back then, with the label of them being dar al kufr, because a muslim could not live or call to his faith in those countries and was killed for being a muslim if he decided to live in those countries. So they were fought against just like the messenger of Allah and the faithful with him fought against the pagans who killed and tortured the muslims for their faith. Once the west implemented religious freedom it ment they would be left alone, most muslims stopped fighting right there, except some states who kept on fighting while using the faith for mere geographic-political reasons.

Your opinions abujamal and i am not saying this to offend you as one of  the childeren of Adam but rather to confront you as i see you: an angry person who chose to listen to certain people who wish more power through not the koran but interpretations of the koran and secondary sources which is ofcourse their own work. Your opinions are the results of the wahabi political blunder, in being so blind as to think they can use their self invented "islamic?"(no way) religion as way to gain world dominance through violence. It takes some really corrupted minds to be that blind as to not see "this will never work."

"54.42":    They rejected all Our communications, so We overtook them after the manner of a Mighty, Powerful One.

"54.43":    Are the unbelievers of yours better than theirs, or is there an exemption for you in the scriptures?

"54.44":    Or do they say: We are a host allied together to help eachother(in war)  "54.45":    Soon shall the hosts be routed, and they shall turn (their) backs. 54.46":    Nay, the hour is their promised time, and the hour shall be most grievous and bitter. "54.47":    Surely the guilty are in error and distress.

take care of your faith to Allah, mind yourself and better yourself in the eyes of Allah. Better yourself means strive for the mercy of Allah, not for the sake of anger and enemosity. Know that the basis of a (true) human being is that he is an enemy to no one. The example of Adam is that he was no enemy, but shaitaan chose to become his enemy. So a true human being does not seek to be an enemy of anyone.

The verses above are from Chapter the moon, the first verse of this chapter says:1. " "the hour" has come nearer and the moon has been split" -- In 1969 the first human beings landed on the moon and "split" (inshaqqa) the moon when they planted the flag on it's surface.--

2.But if they see a Sign, they turn away, and say, "a continuous sourcery"

3.They took it as a lie and follow their own whims but every matter has its appointed time.

4.There have already come to them announcement wherein there is (enough) to check (them),

5.Mature wisdom! but Warning profits (them) not.

6.Therefore, turn away from them. The Day that the Caller will call (them) to a terrible affair.