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thomas 
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 Topic: Does the bible preach violence?Posted: 03 September 2005 at 6:52am |
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Forgot to comment on your question: It is completely bullsh*t that the Bible preach violence. Just don't yourself misled by those anomalic leaves. [Except of course, that you definitely feel to use canons to bombard Christianity with those verses and don't give a sh*t on anything else, which I hope you don't.] Tom.- |
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thomas
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Posted: 03 September 2005 at 6:43am |
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Ambrosia : what is really your intention to open a topic like this? Just to vent your steam ? I'm sure that there are lots of non-Moslems, like me, that are convinced that Islam is not a violence loving faith. On the other hand, I think that you have also face the hard and plain facts, that nowadays there are lots of violence exercised by lots of Islamic factions. And as far as I am told that they justify their acts on verses in the Qur'an. Following your anger and frustration, wouldn't your statement that many [of us, non Moslems] using verses of violence in the Qur'an out of context, be equally applicable to these violent Moslem factions? On the violence triggerring verses in the Bible, you in turn, need to understand them in context as well, and, as I am always trumpeting in my postings :it is best try to understand the whole picture of Christianity, Old and New Testaments first, the whole tree, and then look in that context the small, often already dead, leaves. [I am trying this approach also for my efforts to understand IUslam better.] All the best. God bless you! Tom.-
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DavidC
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Posted: 03 September 2005 at 5:59am |
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Hi Ambrosia. Your post was not offensive. I was trying to share my
knowledge of Christian scripture; what you make of it is your own business. As a fellow forum member, I simply did not want you to embarrass yourself by using someone else's weak arguments. The quotes I provided is a good place to begin your discussion. Also, the story of Ham, Shem and Japeth (Genesis 9:25) was the primary biblical justification for slavery in colonial America. Good luck, and may your discussion be enlightening. The concept of sharia being linked to the prophets is something I learned from Muslim members here. I hope others elaborate on this; my understanding is minimal. And thank you for your gentle correction of my error in saying the Qu'ran contains more violence than the NT. I meant to say Sunnah. I did NOT say that Sunnah is anything other than a mercy and blessing to mankind. There are simply more examples of violence, which is to be expected considering how much more there is, and the fact that the Prophet Muhummad was a military general. |
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Posted: 03 September 2005 at 4:56am |
ooohhh, better watch out for the backlash
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judeadrigan
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Posted: 03 September 2005 at 3:38am |
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Ambrosia, U seem rather angry and defence. The Koran, Torah and Bible all preach violence and cruel punishments for those that sin and fail to repent. The 3 books also preach good things, u cant say one is being interpreted out of context and not the other two. U dont sound dumb to me, indeed very knowledgable, however its good not to be deluded by personal bias. All of these books were written by humans, all humans have failings. |
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Ambrosia
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Posted: 26 August 2005 at 1:05pm |
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on another note, I really don't understand what you mean by different messengers different sharia? Message has always been one, distorted for many reasons, people weren't ready, "fitna" may have occurred, people stray.. . God sends another messenger with the same message, there is a theme, even rituals though they may vary greatly have always fallen within the same light
prayers, fast ( lenting) whatever you wish to call it, and holy pilgrimages in pursuit of God, so unless you elaborate on what you have written I really couldn't answer your Q if indeed it fell along the light of a question rather than a long derogatory comment courtesy of the morality squad..
I assume that what you mean by "OT" is old Testament forgive that I am not down with the lingo, I have attended catholic school, and if there was one thing that was hammered in each day was how the new testament was to complete the old. you speak of what Jesus said and Jesus meant so much so as if you were barnbas walking along side him? I really couldn't get into the dynamics of that because for many Christians, bush included things they say would fall along the lines of hypocrisy but I am glad that you say Jesus in fact abrogated all that was in the OT, perhaps good Christians shouldn't go on calling Moslem religious programming to speak of Jewish rights quoting old testament???
you also speak of the "so much more violence in the quran" please do elaborate, as you were able to justify my "dumbness" stating this is OT and this is a parable, I am sure any person on this forum can say this sura was revealed for this and that sura was revealed for that. There is so much in the quran that even in modern day many scholars can't decipher. as was written in Al-Imran there are the verses that are fundamental and those that are allegorical for those who wish to reflect.
Lastly as I afore mentioned Christians and Jews have had their share of violence from crusade to modern day celebrated preachers and a president who was apparently ordained by Jesus himself. Please let's not have this tit for tat approach especially that I don't think I have posted anything that was particularly offensive to any Christian of Jew. Now for the other gentleman who told me that I should look at the whole tree instead of the leaf, I believe I have done so, perhaps you should read the post slower and know that what was meant by is, you can quote anything out of context and go instigating war and hatred.
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Posted: 26 August 2005 at 12:30pm |
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If losing ground then why bother partake in the discussion? I didn't think the above was an offensive piece more over I didn't write it but was asked by a friend to post it. I am not really sure where you are going with your fecund manifesto? I don't think Moslems as a whole go on attacking Christianity and Judaism or go equating God's messengers with terrorists the way prophet Mohammed (PBUH) is being portrayed. You speak of violence in the Quran yet something tells me that you are not so very well versed in Arabic which can only tell me that you posted your piece out of subjective views having taken offense at the above posted. Tell me when pat Robertson the good Christian called for an assassination of chavez did you think that was another divine interlude as those frequently received by bush to go terrorizing others while reversing the labels? he calls himself a good Christian you know. Any one can go on quoting out of context the message of my original post as "dumb" as it was.. .
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Posted: 26 August 2005 at 7:46am |
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Ambrosia : you are lloking to some leaves only. Look at the whole tree of Christianity. Thomas [Tom] |
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