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Surah 34, Saaba

Verse 31

And those who disbelieve say: "We believe not in this Qur'an nor in that which was before it," but if you could see when the Zalimun (polytheists and wrongdoers, etc.) will be made to stand before their Lord, how they will cast the (blaming) word one to another! Those who were deemed weak will say to those who were arrogant: "Had it not been for you, we should certainly have been believers!"

Verse 32

And those who were arrogant will say to those who were deemed weak: "Did we keep you back from guidance after it had come to you? Nay, but you were Mujrimun (polytheists, sinners, criminals, disobedient to Allah, etc.).

Verse 33

Those who were deemed weak will say to those who were arrogant: "Nay, but it was your plotting by night and day, when you ordered us to disbelieve in Allah and set up rivals to Him!" And each of them (parties) will conceal their own regrets (for disobeying Allah during this worldly life), when they behold the torment. And We shall put iron collars round the necks of those who disbelieved. Are they requited aught except what they used to do?

Verse 34

And We did not send a Warner to a township, but those who were given the worldly wealth and luxuries among them said: "We believe not in the (Message) with which you have been sent."

Verse 35

And they say: "We are more in wealth and in children, and we are not going to be punished."

Verse 36

Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Verily, my Lord enlarges and restricts the provision to whom He pleases, but most men know not."

Verse 37

And it is not your wealth, nor your children that bring you nearer to Us (i.e. pleases Allah), but only he (will please Us) who believes (in the Islamic Monotheism), and does righteous deeds; as for such, there will be twofold reward for what they did, and they will reside in the high dwellings (Paradise) in peace and security.

Verse 38

And those who strive against Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), to frustrate them, will be brought to the torment.

Verse 39

Say: "Truly, my Lord enlarges the provision for whom He wills of His slaves, and (also) restricts (it) for him, and whatsoever you spend of anything (in Allah's Cause), He will replace it. And He is the Best of providers."

Verse 40

And (remember) the Day when He will gather them all together, and then will say to the angels: "Was it you that these people used to worship?"

Verse 41

They (angels) will say: "Glorified be You! You are our Wali (Lord) instead of them. Nay, but they used to worship the jinns; most of them were believers in them."

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Alhamdulilah�..

I started this thread, and now I have overcome�..

No longer am I going to use others actions as an excuse, if poverty and oppression come calling I won�t hide my face. My belief must be independent, and not effected as a result, of their oppressive plotting which is now commonplace!

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Do you know who the jinn are?

And if not how do you know if you worship them or not?

Edited by ubiety

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ubiety Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 07 November 2005 Status: Offline Points: 14	Post Options Post Reply Quote ubiety Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: no help for reverts? Posted: 09 November 2005 at 9:46am
	Surah 34, Saaba Verse 31 And those who disbelieve say: "We believe not in this Qur'an nor in that which was before it," but if you could see when the Zalimun (polytheists and wrongdoers, etc.) will be made to stand before their Lord, how they will cast the (blaming) word one to another! Those who were deemed weak will say to those who were arrogant: "Had it not been for you, we should certainly have been believers!" Verse 32 And those who were arrogant will say to those who were deemed weak: "Did we keep you back from guidance after it had come to you? Nay, but you were Mujrimun (polytheists, sinners, criminals, disobedient to Allah, etc.). Verse 33 Those who were deemed weak will say to those who were arrogant: "Nay, but it was your plotting by night and day, when you ordered us to disbelieve in Allah and set up rivals to Him!" And each of them (parties) will conceal their own regrets (for disobeying Allah during this worldly life), when they behold the torment. And We shall put iron collars round the necks of those who disbelieved. Are they requited aught except what they used to do? Verse 34 And We did not send a Warner to a township, but those who were given the worldly wealth and luxuries among them said: "We believe not in the (Message) with which you have been sent." Verse 35 And they say: "We are more in wealth and in children, and we are not going to be punished." Verse 36 Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Verily, my Lord enlarges and restricts the provision to whom He pleases, but most men know not." Verse 37 And it is not your wealth, nor your children that bring you nearer to Us (i.e. pleases Allah), but only he (will please Us) who believes (in the Islamic Monotheism), and does righteous deeds; as for such, there will be twofold reward for what they did, and they will reside in the high dwellings (Paradise) in peace and security. Verse 38 And those who strive against Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), to frustrate them, will be brought to the torment. Verse 39 Say: "Truly, my Lord enlarges the provision for whom He wills of His slaves, and (also) restricts (it) for him, and whatsoever you spend of anything (in Allah's Cause), He will replace it. And He is the Best of providers." Verse 40 And (remember) the Day when He will gather them all together, and then will say to the angels: "Was it you that these people used to worship?" Verse 41 They (angels) will say: "Glorified be You! You are our Wali (Lord) instead of them. Nay, but they used to worship the jinns; most of them were believers in them." ________________________________________________________ Alhamdulilah�.. I started this thread, and now I have overcome�.. No longer am I going to use others actions as an excuse, if poverty and oppression come calling I won�t hide my face. My belief must be independent, and not effected as a result, of their oppressive plotting which is now commonplace! ________________________________________________________ Do you know who the jinn are? And if not how do you know if you worship them or not? Edited by ubiety

ubiety Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 07 November 2005 Status: Offline Points: 14	Post Options Post Reply Quote ubiety Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 November 2005 at 5:08am
	nice to know i'm not even a person anymore... i'm an - 'it'

Pinoy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 28 October 2005 Location: Philippines Status: Offline Points: 14	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pinoy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 November 2005 at 5:21am
	Salaam, I have a relative who is a freemason.

Angel Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 03 July 2001 Status: Offline Points: 6641	Post Options Post Reply Quote Angel Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 November 2005 at 2:58pm
	Now it's aesthete
	~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~

aesthete Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 03 November 2005 Status: Offline Points: 8	Post Options Post Reply Quote aesthete Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 November 2005 at 5:37am
	Assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullah Thank you to all the participants of this forum, for your assistance during my time here. I must now leave the house for the owners wish not to hear my word, and are content to see me humiliated over and over again! While I remain in the house the dust is still on my feet, only after I exit can I shake it off those feet. A year of discussing has got me nowhere; maybe I will try a year of silence now I know my words are falling on deaf ears.

Angel Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 03 July 2001 Status: Offline Points: 6641	Post Options Post Reply Quote Angel Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 October 2005 at 6:40pm
	Now its gone
	~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~

gone Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Starter Joined: 29 October 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote gone Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 October 2005 at 5:04am
	No longer am I able to digest anything from you people For you only know how to take from and use people For too long I have been raped and abused by you people Now I am unable to love anything I am invited to by you people

went Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Starter Joined: 20 October 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote went Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 October 2005 at 9:05am
	enough said!!! no one of authority even has the decency to reply! they certainly know how to oppress people, and rob them of hope! Edited by went