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Dayem 
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 Topic: Islam and HinduismPosted: 02 October 2005 at 7:53am |
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As salam u Alaikum Swarg=Heaven Narak=Hell Many hindu arnot even aware that there is a concept of swarg and narak in there religion.But it is mentioned in vedas, the most holy book of Hindus. However, most hidus believe inpuna janam or rebirth.It is mentioned somewhere in Gita. It, asa matter of fact suffer frm a flaw.The theory of reincarnation or rebirthis that if a human do bad deeds he will be born as animal or insects.While if a animal do good deed in tis life then it will born in the body of higher level.And the most highest level is Man. Now let me ask u something, today the crime is increeasing or decreasing?Increasing, unaminous decision.And waht about human population?It is also increasing!Flaw!According to the treory of puna janam the population should decrease!! was salam |
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ronsystems
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Posted: 20 September 2005 at 7:03pm |
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In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatahu A simple comparision, In Islam, belief in One God is the most important belief. Allah in arabic refers to the One God. In Islam, all humans are created equal.Hinduism has many deities. This is much like ancient Greek and Roman religions.Hinduism has a caste system, with four major castes. Dharma and deen (both meaning ways of life), and an emphatic assertion of the oneness of God (Ekam sat: la illaha illlallah), Islam and Hinduism share the vision of a moral order prevailing in the universe. These include respect, kindness, honesty, tolerance, self-restraint, patience, forgiveness and compassion. Such virtues apply between parents and children, spouses, business partners, neighbors and friends, regardless of gender. The following Quran verses illustrate these ideals: Ma Salama Afshan
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Fuhad
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Posted: 27 August 2005 at 5:26pm |
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Salaam To: All Its been a while since this thread of mine has been picked. Recently, realising the nature of discussion between brothers AhmadJoyia and The One ( from Bharat), I would like to share my thougths on This topic again. It seems whenever muslims enter into a dialogue with Indian friends i.e followers of 'Sanatan Dharama' ( meaning, the eternal 'religion' or way of life) sometimes get into a circular arguments. Since India has a rich tradition of Philosophy, The Indians friends tends to switch quickly between, Speculative Thought ( propounded from Vedas. & Upanishads.), Textual Traditions and of Course Free Thinking. We must understand and clarify the bases of our discussion with our Indian friends. It is not enough accept, when some says 'I am a follower of Vedanta' What is so elitist about Vedanta? Vedanta today as expounded by some Modern educated hindu reformers is a way of life to spirituality without giving due credibility dogmas and doctrines within the hindu pantheon some what similar to Sufism without Islam. ( i.e the New Age spirituality of 21st century. For Hindus not matter how educated ( except for the branch of Athesim )they are 'Vedas' are Axiomatic and similarly the Unpanishads are Axiomatically Transcedental. Just like Quran is Axiomatic for Muslims. In the Hindu world Vedanta is consiederd as one of the important philosophy, which constitutes one of the most popular rationalizations for the act of religious renunciation. The Vedanta philosophy represented by Shankara and Ramanuja is a textual tradition. What this means specifically is that Vedanta philosopers - though they insist that final proof of anything must be experience- they rely heavily on scriptures such as the Brihad Aranyaka Upanishad, which they take as authoritave ( Even Ramakrishna Maths and Swami Vivekanda wouldn't deny that as reliable source of truth.) hence Vedanta is a Religious philosophy. Moreover, the whole foundation of Vedanta philosophy rests on the Transcendental claims of the Upanishads, represented by the concept of 'brahman' ( notice the small 'b' and not big 'B'.) the whole language ( i.e Sanskrit) used by Vedantist theologians and philosophers is replete with confusion of Synonyms. Thats the reason, why so many people say we believe in the theory of 'projection' rather than 'creation'. ( Remember it is one thing to read commentaries of Shankara & Ramanuja and other is to let the Vedic text speak for itself) So for Vedantist when conversing in my humble opnion should get there Epistemology Right because the very claim of being a Vedantist Pesupposes individual's adherence to the Vedic Axiology and its textual Interpretation. So the Vedas and the Upansihads and the Purans, Gita and all the thinking of the Rishis, Gurus is open to analytical and propostional, Historical examination just like the Quran and the authencity of Quran and Vedas and Gita must be compared to reach a sound understanding. If this post fires interest in people then hopefully we will have more of this later. Regards Fahad
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AhmadJoyia
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Posted: 15 June 2005 at 12:52pm |
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Bro Unity 1, as I mentioned earlier, probably bro Bharatiya has gone for rebirth, or reincarnation. He might possibly be here on this forum in his new incarnation and thus may not reply. Hence there is little reason for casting pearls on this thread.
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unity1
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Posted: 14 June 2005 at 6:24am |
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Additional information, do you mean to say that in the doctrine of Hinduism ,their is no concept of hell? I don't think their is any religion without the concept of hell. If your claim is true, then can you please tell me what will be the ultimate destination of criminals and corrupt people who commited bad deeds during their life time according to Hinduism? If their is no concept of hell in Hinduism ,then why in "Hindi" do Hindus use the word "Narg" and "Swarg". Please note that the word "Narg" is used for "Hell" and "Swarg" is used for "Paradise or Heaven". Regards, |
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who call themselves superior are actually inferior in the eyes of Allah.Those who call themselves slaves of Allah are superior not only in the eyes of Allah but also superior in the eyes of man. |
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unity1
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Posted: 14 June 2005 at 6:06am |
Asalam Aalaikum Thank you for your post,I hope you won't mind If I present my comments on your post. Don't worry we will not attack or present any negative comments against Hinduism since we muslims are strictly not allowed to attack any ones beliefs and religions. Allah(God) says in the Glories Qur'an: In Surah AN-NAHL chapter number 16 verse number 125 "Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. " In this verse of the Qur'an, Allah(God) encourages all the muslims to debate with non-muslims in the best way and no where this verse or any other verse of the Qur'an ,God says to argue agressively or attack any other faith during religious discussions or debates. so your claim that Islam is an intolerant and violent religion which doesnot tolerate any other faith is baseless. I wouldnot point towards any tragedic events which took place recently inorder to justify my arguments, I'll only argue from religious sources especially Qur'an since this a religious issue and we should not involve any political matters in our discussions. Before proceeding ,let me inform you that every religion on the face of the earth preaches good, their is no religion that preaches evil or intentionally deviates people from the right path. It is only the lack of perfection and amendments in those religious scriptures that contributes to those religions. As far as Islam is concerned, it is the only misunderstood faith on earth and that is also because of the propoganda that western media has done against Islam. Several anti-Islamic books have been written by Western and anti-Islamic writers and they have presented Islam from the small canvas of their mentality. Lets come to your claims, you said that Hinduism doesnot support the concept of hell, where as according to Islam, non-muslims will abide in Hell. Now , I wonder how does this claim of yours makes Islam a violent and intolerant religion. Let me give you a simple example ,for example you are a teacher and you have 4 students out of which only single student listens to you and follows your guidance but other 3 students donot follow your guidance. In the final exam ,only one student who followed your guidance successfully completes the final exam except the rest of the 3 students and waits for the results until(if you are the examiner)you present your final judgment on his and other 3 students exam paper. What will you do? will you give the same result to all your 4 students or will give them their results according to their performances and efforts? If you were a student and if your examiner failed you because you didnot follow the guidance of your teacher and didnot work hard before the exam,will you question the examiner and his guidelines just because he failed you? If you cannot expect injustice from an examiner,then how can you expect such things from God who is extraordinarily justice loving and judges people in the light of justice? Just as those students who donot obey the guidance of their teachers and follow their own ideas donot pass the final exams in the same way, those who donot follow the true teachings of their God and will not acheive paradise after the Day of Judgment. This world is like a testing place where God is testing us and every individual on the face of the earth irrespective of his color,creed and race is under that divine test. As far as your other claim that Hinduism is greatly attracting the attention of western people in West,I would be interested to see any evidence which supports this claim. Regards, |
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who call themselves superior are actually inferior in the eyes of Allah.Those who call themselves slaves of Allah are superior not only in the eyes of Allah but also superior in the eyes of man. |
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AhmadJoyia
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Posted: 05 June 2005 at 12:58pm |
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I think, Bro Bharatiya has gone to take a rebirth. Till then we must wait for him.
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Fuhad
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Posted: 04 June 2005 at 6:51pm |
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Salam to: Bharatiya and Ahmed Joyia Bro Bharatiya we are looking forward to hear more from you. Regards Fuhad
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