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    Posted: 19 December 2005 at 2:46pm

Those are the limits of Allah,those who obey Allah and His Messenger will be admitted to Gardens with rivers flowing beneath, to abide therein (for ever) and that will be the supreme achievement."

 

Hudoodu Allah, the limits of Allah.

Limits are set to make sure justice is done, it does not however mean that one can not increase in the matters of justice and good, rather it only means no one is allowed to practice anything under those limits because that would mean no other then injustice.

So basically speed on in the way of good and justice and make sure that no one transgresses the right of others by going under those limits. As for those who surpass the limits of Allah and do not go under it they are free from blame, it is rather those who go under it you should worry about. As for those who stick right at the limit and do not go over it or under it, these are free from blame also but i recommend them to better.

 

And not do We send the sent ones but as bringers of glad tidings (good news) and as warners: so whoever secures himself with faith and mends (their lives),- no fear is over them, nor do they(themselves) grief. [6:48]



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It is directly from arabic,

What Yusuf Ali and others did is in some cases mistranslate just to give right to the methodology and judgments of the scholaric esteblishment they are afiliated with. I believe this is wrong.

wasiyyatan mina Allahi waAllahu AAaleemun haleem.

a recommendation from Allaha, and Allah is a knowing, gentle/kind.

 

 



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Assalamu Alaikum

Sister Herjihad, although Brother Community didn't answer you, it is clear from his other posts that he doesn't believe in seeking "Tafsir of Qur'an" because he doesn't believe in turning to scholars in seeking knowledge of the Holy Qur'an.  He believes all one needs is the Holy Qur'an because Allah made all things clear to us through the  Holy Qur'an.

Brother Community, what English translation of the Holy Qur'an do you use?  I use Yusuf Ali's translation and it doesn't not say "a recommendation" as can be seen below.

"In what your wives leave your share is a half if they leave no child; but if they leave a child ye get a fourth; after payment of legacies and debts. In what ye leave their share is a fourth if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child they get an eighth; after payment of legacies and debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question has left neither ascendants nor descendants but has left a brother or a sister each one of the two gets a sixth; but if more than two they share in a third; after payment of legacies and debts; so that no loss is caused (to anyone). Thus is it ordained by Allah and Allah is All-Knowing Most Forbearing." (Sura 4, Ayat 12)

Daryabadi's translation say "an ordinance", Muhsin Khan's translation says "a Commandament" and Pickthall's translation says "A commandment".  So, it appears that it is  not a recommendation but rather a law that it be done so.  One should be very careful as to the English translation of the Holy Qur'an he/she uses.  Some are tainted.  That is why I had mine send to me from the Middle East intead of getting one here in the states.  At the very least, you should consider using an on-line sight where you can see what other English translations of the Holy Qur'an say.  I use the following link which has all four of the English translations I have mentioned here.  Maybe you will find it useful in answering some of your questions. 

http://www.parexcellence.co.za/islam/quraan.asp

Allah Hafiz

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Bismillah,

Why don't you post your query under Tafsir of Quran?

Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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I am not sure about this this is why i wish to discuss it, because he also speaks about the men and their rights.

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I want to discuss something with you all concerning the rights of women, for instance the right to inherrit according to Allah.

4:12 In what your wives leave, your share is a half, if they leave no child; but if they leave a child, ye get a fourth; after payment of legacies and debts. In what ye leave, their share is a fourth, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get an eighth; after payment of legacies and debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question, has left neither ascendants nor descendants, but has left a brother or a sister, each one of the two gets a sixth; but if more than two, they share in a third; after payment of legacies and debts; so that no loss is caused (to any one). a recomendation by Allah. and Allah is All-knowing, Most Forbearing.

So this about inherritance and how it should be devided is a recomendation from Allah but at then to avoid anything less then this recomendation He says:

"13: Those are the limits of Allah,those who obey Allah and His Messenger will be admitted to Gardens with rivers flowing beneath, to abide therein (for ever) and that will be the supreme achievement."

"14. But those who disobey Allah and His Messenger and transgress His limits will be admitted to a Fire, to abide therein: And they shall have a humiliating punishment. "

So transgressing His limits means that the women be treated less then by His set limits(so they should not get less then what His limits describe), but at the same time it is a recommendation to do it like the way it is described.

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Bismillah,

Fatah, thank you for your statements honoring all Muslims, especially Muslim women.

I believe that only Allah, SWT, knows what is in our hearts, and I therefore refuse to condemn anyone but the most heinous criminals.  Even then, it is obvious that Allah, SWT, knows and I do not.  That evil person is promised by Allah, SWT, acceptance of his repentence by Allah, The Forgiving, The Merciful, The Loving.

Are you actually saying, AnneMarie, that you believe the Quran has mistakes in it?

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Salam Alaikoam

Truse justice is Education, counseling, consultation along with living prayers and prayer as well as a personal Hajj (Pilgrimage made to all levels of our lives seeing where we need guidance or assistance and where we may be of assistance anything less just purpetuates a cycle of violence, ignorance, apathy and agression.

Looking at the period of time these laws were written in and what Mohmmed had at his disposal for his protection and defence not to mention he could not write or read Arabic I believe that it is possible all the works of the Quran are not completely as Mohammed meant them to be.  Also I believe that he may have been swayed from his true intentions from fear of violence or intimatation from his peer group.

The reason I say this is because some of the laws or hadith seem not to really be kind and merciful like Allah and so it is a little surprising as we are suppose to emulate Allah in all we do are we not?

Just imagine those times what would you have said back then?

Though if this belief is not the case and these all are exactly as He PBUH intended them to be then it speaks of his levwel of education, and understanding of relationships and other processes.

One thing I will say He PBUH did His PBUH best and what more could anyone ask for.

May Allah Bless His soul and the soul of all before Him PBUH and all alive now and who will ever come in the future.

What will the Surah and Ayats of Our Life say to the world?

Mahssallah May it Say we did our best with what we were given, what we knew and what resources we could call on and we assisted others within our means.

Anne Marie Elderkin Habibi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Judgement day passes in the moment we decide something needs attention & we take positive action. Then there will be a great sorting out of people into groups, Inspired by Surah 99 Ayat 1-8
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