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    Posted: 09 May 2014 at 2:49pm
Wrong

In christianity ve judaism

Both Isaac and ishmael

Read genesis 17

And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.


� if Isaac is last prophet

So why did paul claim he is prophet?

As we know he claimed he is prophet

Even language change

From hebrew to arabic

Hebrew Abram turn to Arabic. Abraham


Genesis 17

Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.


Above. All

Name prophet muhammad in bible
Ve torah

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wm3sZfPwv1g


Top jew scholar say islam true

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw5SHH9eQb4

Jews professor confirm all prophets muslim

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mlLZKUuc2jkhttp://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mlLZKUuc2jk


Jesus confirmed. He is prophet in bible

Luke 13:31

Jesus replied :


33�But I must go on my way today, tomorrow, and the next day. A prophet of God cannot be killed outside of Jerusalem.


http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke 13:31-35


�even people prove it

Matthew 21:11 The crowds answered, "This is Jesus, the prophet ...






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Originally posted by honeto honeto wrote:

Originally posted by robin robin wrote:

"Abraham offered Ishmael for sacrifice."
 
You are not telling the Truth!!
 
No he did not:-
 
Genesis 22:1-2
Now after these things it came about that the [true] God put Abraham to the test. Accordingly he said to him: "Abraham!" to which he said: "Here I am!" 2 And he went on to say: "Take, please, your son, your only son whom you so love, Isaac, and make a trip to the land of Mo�ri�ah and there offer him up as a burnt offering on one of the mountains that I shall designate to you."
 
Dear Robin,
you and the above quote seems to be inconsistant. It is silly to say that Abraham's first son was somehow not his son or that his son was born without he will of God. There is nothing that happens without the will of God.
Here is what logic and common sense tells us without being follower of anything. "your only son" is the key here. As I have mentioned before in another thread and you see its being pointed out here too is that if Abraham ever had his "only son" mentioned, its was his first son Ishmael. By the time Issac was born "your only son" will confuse Abraham and all os us as it did.
So according to the facts we see that if at any time Abraham was told to take his only son it would be before the birth of his second son Issac.
 
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Originally posted by robin robin wrote:

"Abraham offered Ishmael for sacrifice."
 
You are not telling the Truth!!
 
No he did not:-
 
Genesis 22:1-2
Now after these things it came about that the [true] God put Abraham to the test. Accordingly he said to him: "Abraham!" to which he said: "Here I am!" 2 And he went on to say: "Take, please, your son, your only son whom you so love, Isaac, and make a trip to the land of Mo�ri�ah and there offer him up as a burnt offering on one of the mountains that I shall designate to you."
 
Dear Robin,
you and the above quote seems to be inconsistant. It is silly to say that Abraham's first son was somehow not his son or that his son was born without he will of God. There is nothing that happens without the will of God.
Here is what logic and common sense tells us without being follower of anything. "your only son" is the key here. As I have mentioned before in another thread and you see its being pointed out here too is that if Abraham ever had his "only son" mentioned, its was his first son Ishmael. By the time Issac was born "your only son" will confuse Abraham and all os us as it did.
So according to the facts we see that if at any time Abraham was told to take his only son it would be before the birth of his second son Issac.
 
Hasan


Edited by honeto - 05 January 2009 at 2:41pm
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once more my sister

jeremiah 8:8'  How can you say, "We are wise,
       for we have the law of the LORD,"
       when actually the lying pen of the scribes
       has handled it falsely
 from the GOSPEL OF BARNABAS 44
Thereupon said the disciples: 'O master, it is thus written in the book of Moses, that in Isaac was the promise made.'
    
              Jesus answered, with a groan: 'It is so written, but Moses wrote it not, nor Joshua, but rather our rabbins, who fear not God. Verily I say unto you, that if ye consider the words of  the angel Gabriel, ye shall discover the malice of our scribes and doctors. For the angel said: "Abraham, all the world shall know how God loveth thee; but how shall the world know the love that thou bearest to God? Assuredly it is necessary that thou do something for love of God." Abraham answered: "Behold the servant of God, ready to do all that which God shall will."
    
              'Then spoke God, saying to Abraham: "Take thy son, thy firstborn Ishmael, and come up the mountain to sacrifice him."
              How is Isaac firstborn, if when Isaac was born Ishmael was seven years old?
    
             Then said the disciples: 'Clear is the deception of our doctors: therefore tell us thou the truth, because we know that thou art sent from God.'
    
            Then answered Jesus: 'Verily I say unto you, that Satan ever seeketh to annual the laws of God; and therefore he with his followers, hypocrites and evil-doers, the former with false doctrine, the latter with lewd living, to-day have contaminated almost all things, so that scarcely is the truth found. Woe to the hypocrites! for the praises of this world shall turn for them into insults and torments in hell.
    
          'I therefore say unto you that the messenger of God is a splendour that shall give gladness to nearly all that God hath made, for he is adorned with the spirit of understanding and of counsel, the spirit of wisdom and might, the spirit of fear and love, the spirit of prudence and temperance, he is adorned with the spirit of charity and mercy, the spirit of justice and piety, the spirit of gentleness and patience, which he hath received from God three times more than he hath given to all his creatures. O blessed time, when he shall come to the world! Believe me that I have seen him and have done him reverence, even as every prophet hath seen him: seeing that of his spirit God giveth to them prophecy. And when I saw him my soul was filled with consolation, saying: "O Mohammed, God be with thee, and may he make me worthy to untie thy shoelatchet, for obtaining this I shall be a great prophet and holy one of God." '
 
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"Abraham offered Ishmael for sacrifice."
 
You are not telling the Truth!!
 
No he did not:-
 
Genesis 22:1-2
Now after these things it came about that the [true] God put Abraham to the test. Accordingly he said to him: "Abraham!" to which he said: "Here I am!" 2 And he went on to say: "Take, please, your son, your only son whom you so love, Isaac, and make a trip to the land of Mo�ri�ah and there offer him up as a burnt offering on one of the mountains that I shall designate to you."
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  Cont...d.
 
 Allah was pleased with Abraham and gave him a promised son, Ishamel, the first born of Abraham. When Abraham offered Ishmael for sacrifice, Allah was all the more pleased with Abraham and granted  him another son, Issac.
Issac was not born when the incident of sacrifice took place. Issac could not be sacrificed as it was told to Abraham before his birth that he will be a prophet.  When Allah told Abraham a.s. taht Issac will be a prophet then it would be wrong to tell him to sacrifice Issac.
 
  Abraham settled both his sons far away from each other. One in Arabia and hother in Kana'an. There was great wisdom in doing that. Whereas, the children of Issac had to undergo slavery and  foreign occupation, the children of  Ishmael had no such problem. Specially when the prophet s.a.w.s. was born and his mission started, there was no king nearby and no police to disturb the prophet, as it happened in the case of Isa a.s. in Kan'a'an.
 
 That was the divine plan started thousands of years before the advent of the last prophet and for the survival of his mission. Al Hamdu Lillah.
 
 The life of Ishmael a.s. was spared for the sake of greater sacrifices to be offered by the Sahabah of the rasool Allah. The Sahabah gave their lives in the way of Allah like sheeps and goats, in large numbers. That was the ransom. The Ram which was offered by Abraham a.s. was not the ransom. 
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 That analysis by Abdul rehman is perfect. The incident of sacrifice took place well before the birth of Issac. It took place in arabia, near makkah place called marwah. (remember safa and Marwah).
 
 Abraham migrated from native land, entered Syria and then travelled to Egypt too. Later He returned to palestine and  Allah promised him all the land he could see. But he was childless. He prayed to Allah to grant him some heir. Otherwise land will be no use to him. Please read chapter 37 of Quran from verse 83 onward to verse 112. All is there.
 
 Abraham prayed for a capable son. Allah gave him the good news of a grown up son (Ghulam un Haleem), a forebearing son. That was when Abraham had no son at all. If he had a son then why he will pray for a son? He had no son at that time. So the son being born was a promised son.
 
 When the son grew up and started running about, before that Abraham under divine guidance left that son and his wife Hagar in the wilderness of Arabia at a place now called Makkah and went away.
 
 His wife asked him why he was leaving them there. He had some tears in his eyes and could not look back to reply. Just kept quiet. Then Hagar understood and asked "Are you leaving us here under some divine mission?"  He simply nodded his head and went away back to Kan'a'an.
 
 The mother (Hagar) and child (Ishmael) lived there somehow. Abraham after some time (years) came and visited them. The story that Sarah was full of prejudice & hatred against hagar may or my not be true. I do not believe it but it is written in bible. I do not believe that she was a selfish or ignorant lady. She was all pure and good lady. She did not turn out any one from the house. The inheritance business is all false. What inheritance was there? There was plenty of land and no problem at all. (More in next post)
 
 


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 Here is wonderful article by Abdul-Rahman(Brent) Klimaszewskil (He is a new convert to Islam) on the subject of The Truth About Abraham and his SON Ishmael.
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