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Tim Evans
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Posted: 16 February 2006 at 5:25am |
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Charles Wehner
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This is absolutely correct. Whilst PRETENDING to damp-down tension, the Masonic governments of Britain and America are actually heightening it. They want it to look like a religious war, when it is really OIL CRUSADES. In mid-February 2006, that wonderful Mayor of London (England) Ken Livingstone met up with Muslim leaders in order to promote inter-religious harmony. He stated CLEARLY that the riots in France, and the publication of anti-Muslim caricatures were GOVERNMENT POLICY. Freemasons have taken over the Wikipedia. I put advice about curing a disease there - it was promptly erased, and a WAR broke out against me. All that I had said was that the skin pigmentation in Addison's disease can be used as a marker - if it goes, then so has the disease. However, the devil is the God of Freemasonry. "Brothers" force each other to worship the devil, because it frightens them and keeps them docile. Then they spread lies. So Wikipedia has now re-published the controversial images from Jyllands-Posten, and SEALED the page to "prevent vandalism". A Wiki is a public-domain area where ANYBODY is entitled to edit the work. The Masonic gang look upon legitimate editing as "vandalism", and provoking violence as "encouraging freedom of speech". Masons - who worship the devil - are OBLIGED to be FIENDISH. So Wikipedia has become an unreliable source of information. It does play down the crimes of Masons like Pike or Nixon, but will not allow independent outsiders to express a view. It has become a vehicle for sly disinformation. Charles Douglas Wehner |
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AhmadJoyia
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Bro, I think, your formula might work as long as these so called different task oriented "slaves" don't cross intereact with each other. However, the moment they come across each other, and that is a matter of fact, only that which emphasizes common rules of politics (i.e. Islam) can keep them "humans" on earth. I think, this discussion of "church VS State" can also be viewed as "athism VS theism". For this kindly refer to my on going discussion with bro Tim at http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=555& PN=1&TPN=4
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DavidC
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Maryga - trhank you for your response, but please reread my post. There
is a considerable gray area and yes, some issues of morality impact life and property. And many do not. AhmadJoyia - Islam is fully capable of deconstructing obedience to church and state. Evidence al-Ghazzali's beautiful deconstructions of the nature of God. What can be more inseperable than God? The refusal to logically deconstruct church and state is simply an avoidance of the question. The integration of church and state in Islam seems, to me, based on the relationship of God to each individual soul. Within this relationship the church and state are viewed as inseperable. All aspects of one's life must certainly be oriented towards God When one considers the relationship of man to his fellow man - politics - I do not think the same inseperability applies. We have a God that loves variety and has created each one of us differently, so each of us has a slightly different relationship with God. We are all slaves of God, but we have different tasks. The needs of a field slave are different from that of a scribe slave, and each can - indeed must - have different politics if they are to maintain an authentic relationship with God. |
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liberty
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Yes. Yes. Government should intrude upon our lives as little as necessary. They should stay out of our personal lives and decisions. Many people in the West that agree with this are uneasy with Islam since religion and politics seemed linked. Are muslims happy living the democratic states or are they working towards making them Islamic states? |
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Maryga
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If God is the only one offended, punishment should be left entirely to God. David, punishments exist in every system and thank God for them. Imagine a society where all punishments are left to God. I go to the shopping centre late in the evening when most of the crowds are gone yet, I come back disgusted with the sights I see. Perhaps people would walk about without the little clothes they put on these days. Laws only for damage to human life & property! what about morality? I would'nt want to see an Ummah where like in some homes the father does not know if the child he is providing for is really his!
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AhmadJoyia
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The question of how to deal with non-Muslim living in Muslim dominated society, equitably and justly, are also part of this. If anyone needs to discuss them, certainly it would be a good thread to look at. Edited by AhmadJoyia |
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DavidC
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I think laws should be enacted only when there is objective damage to
human life or property. Restrictions and corrections should be minimal. If God is the only one offended, punishment should be left entirely to God. We all offend God and sin several times a day. To pick and choose which sins should suffer earthly consequences always ends up as "your sin is worse than my sin" and forces judges to the blasphemous condition of having to speak amd act in the name of God. Believers of course will obey God's laws willingly. I am unfamiliar with Hazrat Umar. Please start a new thread; it sounds like a good topic. Edited by DavidC |
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