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Whisper 
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Posted: 20 November 2005 at 11:36pm |
What good news Bruce?
The only good news we require is end of occupation and departure of each and every foreign troop from there. US prescence is sowing the civil war not keeping it from happening.
That's a sad reality.
If this President really doesn't know it, he is an utter idiot.
If he does know it but keeps it to himself an the cabal then he is the biggest liar you could ever get.
Do you deserve either?
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Alwardah
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Posted: 19 November 2005 at 10:22am |
 b95000 wrote:
There is most definitely good news going on all over Iraq...I've posted little portions of it and you claim, without any basis for doing so, that this posting of good news is 'inflammatory.' Well I'll be...this is the first time I've ever seen the posting of good news articles as being 'inflammotory.' Perhaps you will elaborate or tell me to cease with my argumentation even as you persist to argue about 'good news' posts...
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What good news Bruce?
Have you ever being to Iraq yourself?
Do us all a favor and take a trip down there yourself and then come and report your "good news" to us.
I also agree with Rami - we (Muslims in general) don't believe the main stream media which is clearly biased.
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�Verily your Lord is quick in punishment; yet He is indeed Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful (Surah Al-An�am 6:165)
"Indeed, we belong to Allah and to Him is our return" (Surah Baqarah 2: 155)
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ummziba
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Posted: 17 November 2005 at 10:30am |
Assalamu alaikum,
Yes, I agree with herjihad. Thank you Rami.
Peace, ummziba.
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Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~
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herjihad
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Posted: 17 November 2005 at 7:27am |
Bismillah,
Rami, I appreciate your original statement, and I agree with it.
Thank you for taking action.
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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rami
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Posted: 16 November 2005 at 5:08pm |
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
but it is one clear reason for this forum and it is
written into Guideline 19. Are you going to contend that?
yes you are correct part of the
reason is for people to speak what they think, but the main reason
is to serve the muslim community not to facilitate a muslim american
debate.
Furthermore, by telling me "you have no clue what so ever" - does that serve to abide by Guideline 10?
relating to these comments
Furthermore Rami, you are the one bringing up 9/11 conspiracy theories
not I, sir.
it is a statment of truth which i
could have worded better. When you mention the 9/11 articles you are
acusing me of abusing my position as a moderator to maintain the view
of the article i posted that is not correct and in itself is an
acusation and slander. My issue with your posts solely arose from the
type of article you post which you call good news, they are not to us
and mean something entirely different this is a basic fact.
I am not here to refute christianity
or christian american policy nor will i allow this site turn into an
American propaganda site where msulims are being bombarded with
garbage which they are trying to get away from, yes many muslims (as
well as non muslims) view main stream media as pure and utter garbage.
This site remains for
the purpose of aiding muslim discussion it is a bonus non muslims are
permited here and only out of respect as we are instructed by our faith
to perform dawah.
When this courtesy is abused by non
muslims it will be stoped as it creates fitnah, a term which you will
not understand entirely nor are you expected to.
The fact that this is an islamic site should by it self tell you that
things here do not work the same as other chat sites the main aim and
purpose is serving our religion. You judgment of what is right and
wrong is irelavent as you hold a different set of moral values and
atempting to convince you would mean your conversion to Islam something
i doubt you are here for.
I have already pointed out arguing in the manner you have is a
tribulation and moral coruption according to our faith this should be
enough reason for my actions.
Edited by rami
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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b95000
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Posted: 16 November 2005 at 3:24pm |
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Oh Whisper...your tendencies toward hyperbole, marketing and
exaggeration certainly rival mine...lol...and yet we to tend to land on
certain questions that indeed get discussed...I would rather that more
discuss them with both of us then simply retreating into hardened
positions and I must say I admire your willingness to continue to
interact, despite what seems to be great disdain for the Pro-Freedom,
anti-extremist and so pro-war (until security is established in Iraq)
point of view.
If these several points of view - pro-Coalition and anti-Coalition, pro
war on terror, anti war on terror (or disdain for the tactics for the
war on terror) cannot interact with each other in an INTERNET CHAT room
for goodness sakes, how will we ever see progress in bringing a more
peaceful initiative on a broader geo-political scale?
If people aren't willing to discuss these things with an honest to
goodness pro War on Terror American, how can they then complain?
Present your views, one and all and lets discuss them by the merits..
I refuse to accept the criticism, so leveled recently, that presenting
GOOD NEWS from Iraq is somehow inflammtory! My goodness, what are
we, first graders that we can't handle other inputs than our own
cherished and pet positions?
This is the nature of mature discussions..and how long we can manage to
speak civilly with one another, you a socialist and myself, pretty much
an anti-socialist (pro informed and compassionate capitalism)...will
help to progress discussions across all spectrums of political
inclinations...
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Bruce
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
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Whisper
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Posted: 16 November 2005 at 2:28pm |
It has nothing to do with power at all. Power and "being in conrol" is very much an American thing.
Please try and listen to me and understand the situation here. This Forum is for discussion - exchange of ideas. No one minds when we discuss things, exchange ideas and propound our opinions - in or on areas that we happen to know about.
I have requested you a few times to refrain from thrusting an agenda that we don't buy even from the US President. I am a nobody on this forum. I receive a string of e-mails daily from members about your posts.
Just think, what sort of pressure Rami would have being a co-ordinator?
My friend, most of your posts are like Party Political Broadcasts - not really discussions. Why not discuss something and see if we could save this stupid planet - instead of just trying to prove a good and patriotic American. We all know you are a good patriotic (in fact, over patriotic) American.
consideration of a question in open and usually informal debate
When did we have that last or, as far I can see, ever?
Edited by Whisper
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b95000
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Posted: 16 November 2005 at 1:47pm |
rami wrote:
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
Bruce you have no clue what so ever, the purpose of this forum is not
to speak your mind it is to serve muslims around the world. You
constant U.S propaganda articles are not welcome here, you want to
debate which version of 9/11 is true i dont care that isnt the issue
your constant arguing not discussing is the issue.
what do i mean well check the last 16 pages of current events and see
the constant theme that arises from your articles and posts. This forum
is not created to give you an opertunity to "debate" with muslims!
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Yes, you're correct Rami, 'speaking our minds' is not the only reason
for this forum - but it is one clear reason for this forum and it is
written into Guideline 19. Are you going to contend that?
Furthermore, by telling me "you have no clue what so ever" - does that serve to abide by Guideline 10?
" 10. We will not tolerate personal attacks on
participants from ANY Community (personal attacks are defined as
comments that reflect upon the person instead of their opinion)."
How can you expect others to abide by the Guidelines that you yourself, as a moderator, do not abide by?
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Furthermore Rami, you are the one bringing up 9/11 conspiracy theories
not I, sir. Your qualm with my articles is that they point out
good news in Iraq. Period. You qualm with that and for that
I pity you. You cannot hide under a rock and pretend the US is
all evil anymore than I can (and I don't want to) pretend that they are
all good.
There is most definitely good news going on all over Iraq...I've posted
little portions of it and you claim, without any basis for doing so,
that this posting of good news is 'inflammatory.' Well I'll
be...this is the first time I've ever seen the posting of good news
articles as being 'inflammotory.' Perhaps you will elaborate or
tell me to cease with my argumentation even as you persist to argue
about 'good news' posts...
Hey, you're free to do so, and, as you make clear almost every day, you've 'got the power' here, hey?
But that doesn't make that fair or serve one of the clear purposes of
this forum. If that's not at least ONE of the purposes of this
forum, sir, then I would suggest you reword that guideline.
Otherwise we may be laboring under illusions of 'discussion' and
'speaking our minds' here.
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Bruce
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
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