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    Posted: 12 February 2015 at 3:50pm
Greetings Hasan,

What I know is; Yshwe referred to the One God as Father, and that is how He taught His followers to Pray...

And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.

2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say,

Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven.

11 Give us this day our daily bread.

12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil

(from the books of Luke, and Matthew)

asalaam and blessings to you,

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Edited by Caringheart - 12 February 2015 at 3:52pm
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Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:


question posed to self....How do muslims believe that Yshwe(Isa) was conceived...he was 'breathed into the womb of Mary by allah', correct?Doesn't this make Him a Son of God, and not of man?No human male planted his seed to fertilize the egg of Mary... God Himself did this.Doesn't this make Yshwe the Son of God?� God Himself fertilized the egg of Mary, by the power of His Holy Spirit.




Amigo,
you probably meant in Islamic belief?
God creates whatever He wills, for God nothing is impossible or difficult to create or to maintain.

Allah breathe life (so to speak) into Adam first, and he was. Jesus (Pbuh) was born to Mary (pbuh) without a father. For us a miracle, for God only a matter of word to say (so to speak) "be", and he was conceived. And no, it does not make him son of God or God.

His miraculous birth was a sign God showed to those who say we believe, but in their hearts they were faithless, the children of Israel.

He was sent on a mission to a faithless generation who talked of the Law, but were away from practicing it and when they saw Jesus ridiculing their hypocrisy they wanted to get rid of him.
He was raised by God to safety from the hands of those who thought to have control over his fate.
He is coming back to declare Oneness of God, and free himself from what some associated with him (made him God or begotten son of God) and to establish God's law over land till the end of time on this earth.
Just a reminder amigo, for God nothing is impossible to do, fertilizing an egg included. God creates no-living and living creature, and there are millions and millions of those we know and more that we don't know of. There coming in existence does not make God their father, rather creator. Creator is the right word, I would suggest you use the correct word my friend. God creates, God does not father (beget) things.
Hasan




Edited by honeto - 12 February 2015 at 3:19pm
The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Yes the Gospels were not put in writing for decades, but oral storytelling in this time was developed beyond what can be fathomed today. The best memorized and recited the Bible and other texts word for word start to finish as unbelievable as that may seem. So while I have no doubt that the gospels changed a little over time, when they were finally written down the changes would be minor. Perhaps these minor alterations account for the little contradictions between the four Biblical gospels
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Quote ...we just witness Allah does a particular thing
No we don't.
There is no proof that Jesus was a virgin birth. Nobody has a biological sample from Jesus and Mary to check. The bible was even written by people who have never met them in person.
Many women around the world claim that their baby is a virgin Birth. Given these numbers and the biological facts, it takes a lot of faith (or blindness ?) to believe in this kind of miracle !


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That's why we believe there is nothing like Allah, Allah does what he intends to do,when Allah does it is done irrespective of way, its Allah only knows, we humans with our limited intelligence can't think how Allah does, we just witness Allah does a particular thing.
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This is probably the closest you can get to in human parthenogenesis.

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It's an interesting question.  Assuming the scriptural accounts are true, I've always wondered where Jesus got his Y chromosome from.  I read somewhere that "virgin births" are theoretically possible and may have even been observed in the lower animals, but the offspring's DNA would be essentially identical with the mother, give or take a mutation or two, and therefore has to be female.

Given that Jesus was male (and not some intersex anomaly), then God must have provided at least a Y chromosome, and possibly more.  Does that mean that God has DNA?  What a pity we couldn't have got a blood sample to do a DNA analysis.  (Of course the Catholics believe they actually have the blood and body of Christ in the Eucharist, but somehow I doubt that a lab analysis would bear that out. Wink)
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Originally posted by NABA NABA wrote:

We muslims believe in this-Allah is one, he is eternal, he is neither born nor give birth, there is nothing like him.Allah describes the similarity of prophet Adam (pbuh) and prophet Jesus (pbuh) by creating both of them from dust.

Greetings NABA,

But Yshwe(Isa) was not 'created from dust'.  He was born of human flesh, through the seed of Mary, and the fertilization of that seed from God through His Holy Spirit, if we believe the scriptures.

'she who was chaste'
'We breathed therein something of Our Spirit'

asalaam,
Caringheart

note:  this confirms for me also, the concept of the Trinity even in the qur'an.
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