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    Posted: 22 May 2015 at 11:13am
Oh, and by the way:
Originally posted by JOHN CHUCKMAN JOHN CHUCKMAN wrote:

We might equally ask why ISIS has not attacked Saudi Arabia or its interests...

Islamic State claims suicide bombing at Shiite mosque in Saudi Arabia
By Brian Murphy May 22 at 1:48 PM

A suicide bomber in Saudi Arabia set off a blast at a Shiite mosque on Friday in the kingdom�s oil-rich eastern province, killing or injuring dozens in an attack claimed by the Islamic State.
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Islamic State -
My alnalysis -
The Islamic state conundrum... the islamic state must cause a great deal of confusion for the muslim...
the muslim must be asking himself, do I want this power to take over,
and on the one hand they must be thinking yes, islam must rule over the world...
but on the other hand, is it ok if islam comes to rule through evil being done?
Is it ok for the evil that is being done in order for islam to come to rule?
How does a muslim sort out evil from good?   When they have been taught that islam must come to rule... how do they view the current situation?
and then there's the issue of, will Islamic State be Sunni rule, or Shia rule... so the Shia's will not cease to fight, will they?

So I feel the question muslims have to be asking themselves, is a question they are not allowed to ask...
Is life lived under islamic rule really so great?  Is it better than the life I am able to achieve, living in the west where I have found freedom to choose and am treated with equality.  Do I want to live a life where my government controls my personal choices, my personal life, in every aspect?  Is that kind of life, a life worth living, compared to the one I have found in the west?

So where are muslims to stand?
they are frozen... held captive by their ideology

If they take a stand against the evil, they will also be viewed as going against their religion... their fellow muslim who is trying to bring islam to rule.
Yet, those good muslims, who have been raised in the west, and those who are peaceful, good, and kind... must they, can they, will they, turn a blind eye when evil is being done? (Can they even see the evil?)  Isn't this what happened in Nazi Germany, and isn't it the reason such evil was able to be accomplished.

Is this what their religion calls for?  Is this what they will allow their religion to lead them to?



Edited by Caringheart - 22 May 2015 at 11:16am
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Chuckman asks why ISIS is not attacking Israel or Saudi Arabia.  The answer is simple: Israel and Saudi Arabia are not their enemies.

The goal of ISIS is to create an Islamic State (hence the name) founded on a strict fundamentalist interpretation of Islam.  They are mainly attacking progressive and peaceful Muslims who reject their ideology and resist their "caliphate".  Their much-publicized attacks on Yazidis and Christians are for ideological and recruiting purposes, not because the Yazidis and Christians are their military or political enemies.

Sadly, too many Muslims still consider ISIS to be fellow "Muslims" and refuse to take strong action against them, and perhaps even tacitly support them (I'm lookin' at you, Abu Loren).  Under such circumstances, there is little the US or any other outsider can do.  This is an internal Muslim problem, a civil war of sorts, and Muslims need to figure it out.

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As ISIS continues to sweep territories I am pressed again, and again, with the thought...
If this evil sweeps the world, does anyone really think it will be a world they want to live in?
Is this really a regime that anyone wants to live under?
I myself can not embrace the idea of living an oppressed life.
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Surely, ISIS is just another pretext for the further continue war of hearts and minds regarding Islam as an ideology, one that was imposed when america launched her plan for the world, the greater middle eastern initiative (GMEI). ISIS is not a valid khilafah, for sure, it has not obtained the leadership of the ummah, rather has resulted in the mixed opinion on the Khilafah concept. But the main point is that ISIS are there solely to create more division amongst the ummah. This is evident in the fact that, the Sunni-Shia divide is taking place alongside the ISIS pretext. And from this, don't we see the division taking place across the entire Arab world now? This is intricately linked to what is happening in Yemen with the houthis. But the Muslim ummah is blind of this as they are being forced in to the corner, and made to chose between the lesser of two evils. It is only fair to say that ISIS serve a purpose, and their purpose doesn't aid the Muslims, rather the enemy of Islam, that wish to divide the ummah in order to prevent the revival of Islam.
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Originally posted by Abu Loren Abu Loren wrote:

Good thread. I think you have hit the nail on the figurative head.

ISIS is NOT what the media portray it to be.


Then in a few short words, so that I can understand it, What is ISIS?

I know that Sean Hannity calls them Islamic Terrorists, but he is wrong. Deep inside they are nothing more than a band of apostate terrorists wapping themselves in Islam as a mantel of respectability that they do not deserve.

As far as I can see, the are a disgrace to Allah and Islam. Am I wrong in this line of thought?

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Good thread. I think you have hit the nail on the figurative head.

ISIS is NOT what the media portray it to be.
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Shouldn't this be in 'conspiracy theories'?

and Russia... godless nation...
isn't it possible that Russia is behind ISIS?   ISIS is godless.
Who is being aggressive in the world right now?
Who is seeking power through military might?
Where is armageddon prophesied to begin... with which power?


Edited by Caringheart - 05 March 2015 at 2:22pm
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