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Kurban- Festival of Sacrifice marking the end of the ritual pilgrimage to Mecca.
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rememberallah
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the spirit of eid-ul-zuha captures the spirit of islam completely......no scholar understands the message of Allah in it......below is the full explanation.
Spirit of Islam. Part one � Eid ul zuha - Background - Eid ul Zuha is not just a festival it symbolically represent the Spirit of Islam, it commemorates Abraham�s willingness to even sacrifice his son and his son�s willingness to be sacrificed. Many critics of Islam point out, what was reason for God to take such a severe test from Abraham, that he asks him to kill his own son? We are not able to understand this, because as usual, we Muslims don�t have the eye of God�s cause, the eyes of Abel that can receive guidance and not misguidance from the Quran. {5:27} {2:2} {2:26}. Satan�s cause is a rival philosophy to the God�s cause. Satan�s cause started when Satan challenged God, saying �you have done injustice to me�, I will not bow down to man, and will take them to Hell. And since then Satan has been trying to prove only one thing- one thing - That man did not deserve it and God was wrong. Only with these eyes can you understand the spirit/reason behind God asking Abraham to sacrifice his son. Eid-ul-Zuha represents God�s victory over Satan�s challenge and symbolizes that we will work to be the reply of God to the questions of Satan. The question of Satan - The story of Eid-ul-Zuha does not start with God asking Abraham to kill his son but starts from; (19:46)- �His (Abraham�s) father said, do you reject my deities Abraham? If you do not desist, I shall surely stone you to death, keep out of my way. Abraham replied, I will pray to my Lord for your forgiveness, Peace be on you. Indeed my Lord has been gracious to me.� The story of Eid-ul-Zuha does not start with God asking Abraham to kill his son but Satan asking his Satanic Prophet to kill his son. Satan made Azar, the father of Abraham to kill his own son by threatening him to stone him and then putting him in fire. As comes in a Hadith �Quranic verses have an explicit as well as an implicit meaning� {mishkat ul masabih- 238, also in sharh us sunnah}, I have told you the explicit and now I tell you the implicit dialogues. Abraham�s father Azar was a man from team of Satan; Satan incited him and turned to Allah saying, �SEE! A father in my religion can kill his own son on my bidding, such lowest of the low is man, and you asked me to bow to such a creature! No indeed I am better than him, see such is man O God, I was right and you were wrong, you have done injustice to me!!� The reply of Allah - So Satan showed one father and in his reply God too showed one father, a father of His religion Islam and asked Abraham to kill his own son that �O SATAN NO YOU SEE! NO YOU SEE! If a father can kill his son on your saying in your religion, a father in Islam too can kill his son on my saying, but you showed the father of your religion some form of justice i.e. kill him because he is rejecting your gods so kill your son, but I will not show the father of Islam justice but injustice, his son is a good son who pleases him and pleases me, I will ask him to kill his son and also see how his son takes that injustice!!!� O muslims do you understand what it means??? Had you have the eye of Abel, the eye of a Muttaqee, which draws guidance and not misguidance from Quran {2:2} and would had been striving for God�s cause, Allah would had fulfilled his promise to you of {29:69} and guided you to remember what Satan said while leaving paradise � �O Allah you have done injustice to me� { ; } So there was Abraham with knife on his sons throat, and there was his son Ishmael asking his father to do it!!! Sajda, prostration, bowing, truly their foreheads were not on the ground but has anybody ever done a greater bowing than Abraham and his Son?? Lo like Allah saved Abraham from his father, He also saved Ishmael and replaced him with a ram from paradise. Satan showed Abraham�s father Azar and said to Allah �SEE!� So Allah picked up Abraham Ishmael�s father and turned to Satan and said �NO, YOU SEE!! What did you say? that you are better than man and said Allah you have done injustice to me and so I won�t bow, this you said? See for Me of course this man is better than you, you perceived injustice while it was not and didn�t bow to My command, while he clearly sees injustice yet he bows to my command unlike you, so tell me, you yourself stand witness O Satan, who would appear better to me??� So with one arrow Allah kills two birds, that a father in my religion too can kill his son if I want and that Man is better than Satan. This is the implicit meaning of the verses of Quran related to this issue and yet it doesn�t end there, it is just the half way. The rest half - So we have seen how Satan keeps trying to prove that he is better than us and he did the same with picking up father of Abraham but in return Allah gave such a reply, which not only showed the strength which Islam can wield but also as well checkmate Satan. Now starts the next half, why have we been asked to repeat that event? What is there in it for us? We just like fools blindly without doing Tawassum , Taddabur, Taffakur {reflect, understand , ponder} keep cutting goats, sheep , camels etc. Tell me would such a Salat, be accepted which is read without even a single bit of spirit of Salat as prophet had or would it be thrown back at the faces? So again I say O muslims your continuous cutting of animals on Eid ul Zuha will never be accepted if you don�t have even a bit of spirit of Prophet Abraham and Ishmael, they both were bowing down to an unjust will of Allah and becoming God�s reply to Satan, O Ummate Muhammadi what has gotten into you, you say not even a leaf moves without will of Allah, nothing happens without will of Allah and when Allah seeks to accept your sacrifice and puts you in a situation where you have to suffer great injustice you don�t become Allah�s reply but run after revenge, hate, negativity, complaint!!! When you should be the happiest that you have been granted the honor, the chance of becoming one whom Allah will pick and turn to Satan and say SEE!!! Allah takes you to a treasure trove but you burn it and jump off the cliff! !! Eid ul zuha truly comprises the spirit of Islam, once it happened that four boys approached Mullah Nasruddin Effendi and gave him a bag of walnuts and requested; �Mullah we can�t divide the walnuts evenly among us, can you help us please?� The Mullah asked; �God�s way or Mortal�s way?� �God�s way� was the reply. Mullah Nasruddin opened the bag and gave two handfuls to one child, one handful to the other, two walnuts to the third, and none to the fourth! �What kind of distribution is it Mullah? Have you gone mad?� they asked totally baffled! Mullah replied �Well that is God�s way; He gives some people a lot, some little and nothing to others, for God will show how just he is on day of judgment, but the test is not of Allah but of this child who has been given two handfuls that he shares with the one who has not been given any, and the test is of this boy who has none does he say God your will, I bow down to your will, I shall not snatch or steal. For children the test is not of God but the test is of man, had you asked me to distribute by man�s way, I would had given equal!� This is way of Allah, He will keep creating situations in which you will suffer injustice, O yes it will be injustice, O yes it will be injustice, O muslims how many chances have you missed? How many sacrifices have you wasted? Again O Muslims how many chances have you missed? How many sacrifices have you wasted?? For you do sacrifice and run to hit back your brother whether physically, verbally or at level of feelings! Mind you I didn�t say your brother at the level of your immediate parents but at the level of Day of Judgment when Allah will call out as comes in Quran �O Children Of Adam.� How many times does Allah specifically call out in Quran �your religion is same as that of Abraham�s� but how would we �so intelligent� Muslims know? 90% of Muslim world reads Quran in Arabic like a donkey of Sura Juma and understands not a word and the rest 10% who know Arabic makes them believe saying �you can�t understand Quran, it�s really tough and you need knowledge of 80 subjects to understand it! Moreover you will be rewarded on reading Quran in Arabic even if you don�t understand Arabic� {sic} and the 10% ride the 90% donkeys. Hypocrites! Allah will never forgive you, shame on you, the worst hell is reserved for you O false scholars, wait, just wait. O Muslims return to Allah, become His reply to Satan, O muslims, O muslims what do I call you to, has anybody invited you for a greater honor? O muslims, O muslims, O muslims. Tawassum, Taddabur, Taffakur. Reflect, understand, reason. The war song of the Muttaqee � I am the warrior O children of Adam. �I am the one who deals � blow for a blow While you fools do that - to your own bro When the master calls - I stand by him alone While the back stabbing army � sits back at home It�s I who fight for honor It�s I who fight for dignity May I be humiliated & loose But may Allah find His victory Go get your army O Satan � and cut me to pieces if you can But I won�t hit back to bleed my brother � & show to angels who is man You go fight with America You go fight with Israel I go with Allah to fight Satan You false Moses will drown in the Nile I am the horse of the master � there are liars around me My hooves are themselves fire � not scared of fires around me The horse does not kill Is ready to be killed in the war He fights for his master That�s what his blood is for I am a warrior - there are rebels around me I have conquered mountains � what are pebbles around me?� {the poem is a tribute to Abel {5:27} and sura 100 of the Quran} May God make us His horses, Aameen.
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The whole world is like Hazrat Umar but no one is like his sister and brother in law.
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Shams Zaman
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Sorry for being late I was away! Well brother peacemaker has provided the Quranic reference. However on the Bible question I and certainly no sane person would agree that on the pretext of some querral a father would even denounce the existence of his first son and would call his second son as the ONLY son. Or maybe the god speaking to Abrahim is ignorant of the fact that Abrahim has 2 sons and Issac is not his ONLY SON? If only Issac was there then what was the need of adding ONLY then the verses should have been that "sacrifice your son Issac" and not "ONLY SON ISSAC". There can be only two possiblities about it either the God was not aware of the Ismael's birth or someone has manipulated the text. The second possiblity is certainly true because God did know about the birth of Ismael. That is why I said that the text should be put right. Either the only should be omitted or Ismael should be added. However, this doesn't effects Muslims as to who was offered for the sacrifice both Issac and Ismael are equally respectful for us and we do the sacrifice to recall that once GOD commanded Abrahim to sacrifice his son he did so. Similarly we should also be ready to respond to His call with our lives, families and property anytime and anywhere. This is the true message. Shams Zaman |
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In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, 037.101 037.102 037.103 037.104 037.105 037.106 037.107 037.108 037.109 037.110 037.111 037.112 037.113 The whole context of the event as recorded in the Qur'an 37: 101-113 leaves no doubt that Ismaeel ( Ishmael ) ( peace be upon him ) was the son to have been sacrificed by his father in response to God's command. The whole event took place in Mecca. And we know that it was Ismaeel ( Ishmael ) ( pbuh ) and his mother who accompanied Abraham to Mecca, settled there, and helped him raise the Kabah as a sacred sanctuary ( Qur'an, 2: 124-130; 14: 35-40 ). In today's world, how many of us would be ready to present such a sacrifice if God ever asked us? That is the major point. Even sacrificing a ram may be hard for some, though most of the Muslims do offer sacrifice annually to thank God for His favors. Having said that I would like to say with due respect to your faith that only one version can be right since only one son went through that test. And God wouldn't misguide us giving two different names in different books. Therefore, It is imperative that we learn with sincerity while respecting the belief of others. And it seems to me that you are doing just that. |
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Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
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Angela
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Shams, Some Christians believe in the double sacrifice of Abraham. He was forced to give up Ishmael because of the fighting between Hagar and Sarah. Then after he had lost Ishmael, God asked him to sacrifice the ONLY son he had LEFT. Therefore it was a harder sacrifice. Genesis 21The Birth of Isaac1 Now the LORD was gracious to Sarah as he had said, and the LORD did for Sarah what he had promised. 2 Sarah became pregnant and bore a son to Abraham in his old age, at the very time God had promised him. 3 Abraham gave the name Isaac [b] to the son Sarah bore him. 4 When his son Isaac was eight days old, Abraham circumcised him, as God commanded him. 5 Abraham was a hundred years old when his son Isaac was born to him. 6 Sarah said, "God has brought me laughter, and everyone who hears about this will laugh with me." 7 And she added, "Who would have said to Abraham that Sarah would nurse children? Yet I have borne him a son in his old age." Hagar and Ishmael Sent Away8 The child grew and was weaned, and on the day Isaac was weaned Abraham held a great feast. 9 But Sarah saw that the son whom Hagar the Egyptian had borne to Abraham was mocking, 10 and she said to Abraham, "Get rid of that slave woman and her son, for that slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with my son Isaac." 11 The matter distressed Abraham greatly because it concerned his son. 12 But God said to him, "Do not be so distressed about the boy and your maidservant. Listen to whatever Sarah tells you, because it is through Isaac that your offspring [c] will be reckoned. 13 I will make the son of the maidservant into a nation also, because he is your offspring." 14 Early the next morning Abraham took some food and a skin of water and gave them to Hagar. He set them on her shoulders and then sent her off with the boy. She went on her way and wandered in the desert of Beersheba. 15 When the water in the skin was gone, she put the boy under one of the bushes. 16 Then she went off and sat down nearby, about a bowshot away, for she thought, "I cannot watch the boy die." And as she sat there nearby, she [d] began to sob. 17 God heard the boy crying, and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven and said to her, "What is the matter, Hagar? Do not be afraid; God has heard the boy crying as he lies there. 18 Lift the boy up and take him by the hand, for I will make him into a great nation." 19 Then God opened her eyes and she saw a well of water. So she went and filled the skin with water and gave the boy a drink. 20 God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the desert and became an archer. 21 While he was living in the Desert of Paran, his mother got a wife for him from Egypt. The Treaty at Beersheba22 At that time Abimelech and Phicol the commander of his forces said to Abraham, "God is with you in everything you do. 23 Now swear to me here before God that you will not deal falsely with me or my children or my descendants. Show to me and the country where you are living as an alien the same kindness I have shown to you." 24 Abraham said, "I swear it." 25 Then Abraham complained to Abimelech about a well of water that Abimelech's servants had seized. 26 But Abimelech said, "I don't know who has done this. You did not tell me, and I heard about it only today." 27 So Abraham brought sheep and cattle and gave them to Abimelech, and the two men made a treaty. 28 Abraham set apart seven ewe lambs from the flock, 29 and Abimelech asked Abraham, "What is the meaning of these seven ewe lambs you have set apart by themselves?" 30 He replied, "Accept these seven lambs from my hand as a witness that I dug this well." 31 So that place was called Beersheba, [e] because the two men swore an oath there. 32 After the treaty had been made at Beersheba, Abimelech and Phicol the commander of his forces returned to the land of the Philistines. 33 Abraham planted a tamarisk tree in Beersheba, and there he called upon the name of the LORD, the Eternal God. 34 And Abraham stayed in the land of the Philistines for a long time. Genesis 22Abraham Tested 1 Some time later God tested Abraham. He said to him, "Abraham!" 2 Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about." 3 Early the next morning Abraham got up and saddled his donkey. He took with him two of his servants and his son Isaac. When he had cut enough wood for the burnt offering, he set out for the place God had told him about. 4 On the third day Abraham looked up and saw the place in the distance. 5 He said to his servants, "Stay here with the donkey while I and the boy go over there. We will worship and then we will come back to you." 6 Abraham took the wood for the burnt offering and placed it on his son Isaac, and he himself carried the fire and the knife. As the two of them went on together, 7 Isaac spoke up and said to his father Abraham, "Father?" 8 Abraham answered, "God himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering, my son." And the two of them went on together. 9 When they reached the place God had told him about, Abraham built an altar there and arranged the wood on it. He bound his son Isaac and laid him on the altar, on top of the wood. 10 Then he reached out his hand and took the knife to slay his son. 11 But the angel of the LORD called out to him from heaven, "Abraham! Abraham!" 12 "Do not lay a hand on the boy," he said. "Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son." 13 Abraham looked up and there in a thicket he saw a ram [f] caught by its horns. He went over and took the ram and sacrificed it as a burnt offering instead of his son. 14 So Abraham called that place The LORD Will Provide. And to this day it is said, "On the mountain of the LORD it will be provided." 15 The angel of the LORD called to Abraham from heaven a second time 16 and said, "I swear by myself, declares the LORD, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, 17 I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, 18 and through your offspring [g] all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me." 19 Then Abraham returned to his servants, and they set off together for Beersheba. And Abraham stayed in Beersheba. Nahor's Sons20 Some time later Abraham was told, "Milcah is also a mother; she has borne sons to your brother Nahor: 21 Uz the firstborn, Buz his brother, Kemuel (the father of Aram), 22 Kesed, Hazo, Pildash, Jidlaph and Bethuel." 23 Bethuel became the father of Rebekah. Milcah bore these eight sons to Abraham's brother Nahor. 24 His concubine, whose name was Reumah, also had sons: Tebah, Gaham, Tahash and Maacah I don't want to debate which son it actually was, because in the end, no matter which son it was, the lesson and trial are the same. Abraham was forced to chose between a beloved son, or obeying Allah. And the same for the son in either version. They did not plead but were as lambs. Thus giving us an example of the dedication of the early Prophets and followers of God. |
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Dear Sham, We are talking about Quran here. I would love a reference that IT IS ISHMAEL that was about to be sacrified. Would love a verse with his name on it, because Bible said it is Issac. Fox By the way, if you insist, this is my explanation, In the Genesis 21, Hagar and Ismael had already been sent away because Sarah insisted. So Isacc was the only SON from that time. Please read whollly.
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Shams Zaman
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Dear DeExupery Genisis Ch-17, verse 16-20, says that Ishmael was born before the birth of Issac, "18. And Abraham said unto God, o that Ishmael might live before thee! 19. And God said, Sarah, thy wife shall bear a son indeed,...." then in ch-22 verse-2 says, "And he (God) said, take now thy son, thine ONLY son Issac, whom thou lovest...." (for sacrifice). Here the one who was doing alteration in the Bible forgot that now Issac but Ishmael was the first born child of Abraham. Perhaps some day a wise publisher will correct the mistake. Why don't you tell it to the pope? After all there are so many alterations so why not this one to put the record straight???? Shams Zaman Pakistan |
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DeExupery, The whole context of the event as recorded in the Qur'an ( 37: 101-113 ) leaves no doubt that Ismaeel ( Ishmael ) ( pbuh ) was the son to have been sacrificed by his father in response to God's command. Peace Edited by peacemaker |
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Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
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