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    Posted: 16 June 2006 at 6:04am

Salam,

I also think that the title is not good at all. StafeEllah ya Rabi!

Also, I think that here, they are 2 issues that shall not be mixed up: religion and politics.

I think that in this case religion is used by both parts to serve their political interests. For example, you have on one side some islamists (I am not sure of the word here but you get the idea) who use Islam to recruit people to serve a political agenda. Whether that political agenda is good for some people or not, that is not the matter here. But religion is used to attract people. On the other hand, you have Bush and the evangelical christians talking about necessary crusades and mixing on purpose some political issues with Islam (if you notice and I read many articles about it, each time terrorism is mentionned, you see images of muslims who have nothing to do with that, so there is a confusion-done deliberetally as far as I am concerned- to link in the mind of people Islam to terrorism) and gain the support of people and justify the cost of war, only to secure oil and strategical points.

One of these strategical points and the most important one is Israel. The religion in itself is not so important but by its position, it works as a satellite for the US in a very very intersting location in the Middle East. They are a nuclear power and are not far from Iran, from all the places with extremely valuable ressources. If Israel was bouddhist, I am sure they would find a link between their culture and Buddism just to make sure this satellite there is serving their political interests.

Actually, there is a jewish sect called Neturei karta and they are extremely religious. Well, they REJECT THE EXISTENCE OF ISRAEL!! they are jewish but they think this is a crime to steal land and kill Palestinians. They always protest with Muslims for Palestine. If you really follow your religion, I do not see how you can commit any major crime.

Here is their website in the US MashAllah! Enjoy:

http://www.nkusa.org/

Salam,

Muslima



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Assalamu Alaikum fehmi,

( fehmi ) "Compared with American state terrorism and violence, Usama seems like a very gentle warrior, even if all the "terrorist" acts attributed to him were really carried out by him".

While I feel the pain resulting from illegal wars being fought by US, I would like to say that it is always better not to bring Osama into discussions related to Islam or Muslim followers. The reason is that Osama has nothing to do with Islam and Muslims. His ways of fighting are totally illegal and unislamic. He is not the soldier of Islam. The soldier of Islam is not allowed to kill innocent civilians by Allah and His Messenger ( SAW ) regardless of the gravity of provocations.

( fehmi )

When I think of what this government does to the religion of Allah and its followers, I can't help saying a hearty "amin" to the prayer of the Prophet Nuh (Noah) cited in the Qur'an:

Qur'an; Surah Nuh, ayat 26 through 28

And Noah, said: "O my Lord! Leave not of the Unbelievers, a single one on earth!  
 
"For, if Thou dost leave (any of) them, they will but mislead Thy devotees, and they will breed none but wicked ungrateful ones.  
 
"O my Lord! Forgive me, my parents, all who enter my house in Faith, and (all) believing men and believing women: and to the wrong-doers grant Thou no increase but in perdition!" 

These verses above describe the situation at the time of Prophet Noah ( pbuh ), but we can not wish this way for unbelievers because if we keep this level of thinking towards unbelievers, how would we convey the message of Islam to them that should be our prime goal? Moreover, it is the government that is doing, therefore, its unjust policies should be condemned. But, still there are many American people who are innocent of what their government is doing.

I understand that things are tough for us, but we have to do what we have been assigned. And when we do what we are assigned, Allah's blessings will be with us. The trials come to believers to raise the level of their faith.

Let us all follow the true message of Islam, and do what Allah and His Messenger told us to do regardless of troubled situations.

Peace


 

 



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Obviously, America is the new colonial power that continues the destruction and exploitation process that was not completed by the Spanish, Portuguese, British, French and Dutch imperialists.

It invades Muslims countries, takes Muslim resources of livelihood under its control, tortures Muslims in open and secret torture centres all around the world and rapes Muslim women in Iraqi prisons and elsewhere.

Compared with American state terrorism and violence, Usama seems like a very gentle warrior, even if all the "terrorist" acts attributed to him were really carried out by him.

When one thinks of the American state's disgusting actions against the sole ummah that worships Allah alone and nobody else (like Jesus who is worshipped by Christians as the son of god and even a part of God himself), all kinds of hatred for the American State (and not necessarily all of its people) sounds fair.

When I think of what this government does to the religion of Allah and its followers, I can't help saying a hearty "amin" to the prayer of the Prophet Nuh (Noah) cited in the Qur'an:

Qur'an; Surah Nuh, ayat 26 through 28

And Noah, said: "O my Lord! Leave not of the Unbelievers, a single one on earth!  
 
"For, if Thou dost leave (any of) them, they will but mislead Thy devotees, and they will breed none but wicked ungrateful ones.  
 
"O my Lord! Forgive me, my parents, all who enter my house in Faith, and (all) believing men and believing women: and to the wrong-doers grant Thou no increase but in perdition!" 

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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

How can this be a threat to anyone's way of life?  I live smack dab in the middle of a western society and my Islamic identity, my morals, ethics and God-consciousness and my way of life are quite intact.

The issue is very deep sister but very true, by wearing western clothes dealing in worldly matters the way they do along there line of thought you loose your culture, identity and way of thinking as a muslim, becouse islam has shaped peoples way of thinking for 1400 years so in a way for the new generations they need the traditional culture to properly understand the religion as many expresions and moral stories in the Quran as well as the linguistic structure is the way it is so those who know the arabic and traditional culture understand it. loose that and you loose part of the knowledge in the Quran and how to interprate it as it should be interprated.

The arabic of the Quran was the actual arabic spoken at the time of the prophet [sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam] from the rich man to the bedoin in the desert the Quranic arabic was the arabic of the day. Now you need to take numerous arabic language courses to even get close to properly understanding it, read the life story of Muhammad Asad he spent two years in the deserts of Iraq to learn the arabic from the bedoins there so as to learn it as purely as possible and still he walked away from that saying he did not learn it to the same degree as the arabs at the time of the prophet.

this is all a part of culture, it may not be important to us in the near future but think on a wider larger scale.
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Originally posted by ak_m_f ak_m_f wrote:

Osama is a myth created by the US gov to attack civilians and Invade oil rich countries

Assalamu Alaikum

AK, do you really believe that Osama is a "myth"...a fictional character the US made up?  Are you saying that all terrorism which "Osama" and his Al-Q group have claimed responsibility for is also simply a "myth"?  I guess his niece, Wafah Dufour, who posed nude (only with a feather boa wrapped around her and a pair of high heel shoes) for the cover of GQ magazine's Jan. 2006 issue was a "myth" too.

I realize you don't like the US, but you go a bit too far in your accusations which makes others look at you much like they look at people who come here just to spread slander regarding Islam.  I'm not saying there may be some credence to what you have to say, but you say it in such a way that it makes you simply come across as a narrow minded "American Basher".  I'm sorry but it truly is not becoming nor does it solve the problem or settle any disputes.  It merely causes more.

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Originally posted by kenski70 kenski70 wrote:

 ..those companies will make insane money and provide the locals with western goods at low prices. and at the same time introduce western culture to those places. Some consider this a threat to their way of life and are trying ( in vain I might add) to stop it.

how can you force your culture on people who don't want it, and at the same time acusing them of forcing their way of life on you



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"Seckin Islamoglu." A Turk.

No wonder we Turks are the first to receive and communicate the messages of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) to Usama bin Ladin and others.  

Astaghfirullah, the title of the book is really bad.



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Originally posted by kenski70 kenski70 wrote:

�ak-m-f� you think you know what is going on?The US is after the oil. Maybe so.....But in fact its deeper than that.People like osama hate Amreica because they see something....that something is very real, subtle,and make no mistake is happening right now....Oil represents only a small percentage of the picture,its 1 industry. this war is about influence! this war and our millitary presence around the globe are for the purpose of establishing commerce. Has it worked? ....Look at all the westernized companies now doing bussiness in Arab countries...KFC,Wendy's,Baskin Robbins,Arbys,McDonald's,Starbucks,the list goes on and on.eventually the real Giants will come Wal-Mart,Target,K-Mart.those companies will make insane money and provide the locals with western goods at low prices. and at the same time introduce western culture to those places. Some consider this a threat to their way of life and are trying ( in vain I might add) to stop it.



watc the video "loose change", It might help

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