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    Posted: 02 February 2006 at 9:10am

Bismillah,

What you said about his brother clarifies the situation that his dad is blowing smoke and those are just words not threats.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sussett Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 February 2006 at 8:09am

No he hasn't asked for help with the money. Its the opposite he's always bring gifts for me or my family. Even though I've told him ot to on more than on occation. As for him leaving her, I told him it had better not be for me. I've made no promises except to be his friend.

First of his father is from Palistine (sorry if i miss spelled that) he did NOT marry a family member (cousin, aunt, etc.) but a Puerto Rican woman. Now my friend was born and raised in Puerto Rico. I am Puerto Rican, and I see so much of my own culture in him that it's hard to believe the stuff that's going on with him.

I grew up with a phrase my mother taught me. That the way a man treats his mother, is how he treats a woman. So far that's worked for me in the past. But this guy is confusing. I mean he's so wonderful with is mother (whom Ive met along with his brother) he's caring, and very detailed oriented. He's the same with my mother. Yesterday he came over to help my dad with some shelves and brought my mom flowers. But at the same time I hear what's going on with his father and it worries me. I could his father be seriouse about the threat? I mean he didn't kill his older son when he got a woman pregnate and than married her instead of the arranged marriage......

As for the money, you ladies have me thinking now because all of you plus what Ive read have said that money is paid when their IS going to be a marriage NOt when there is a divorce.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Alwardah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 January 2006 at 11:45am

Hi Sussett

Sounds very fishy to me! Did he ask you for financial help? The money he needs to pay is for the marriage not divorce,  that means that he is already married.  If a person can change his mind so quickly from one female to another, he will soon leave you if someone better comes along.

I also suggest - Walk away now.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hayfa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 January 2006 at 10:06am

Sounds like this person has a complex situation. Since we do not know where he is from its hard to say what might be the cultural influences as well as specifically his family. Some stuff may be Islamic and some of it not.

Honestly I'd seperate myself if I were in your shoes.

 

 

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote firewall Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 January 2006 at 8:34am
hi susset,

i wrote long previously. but i think it's simpler like this.

traditional marriege steps in my culture:
1. groom
's family eyes the desired girl (merisik)
    1.1 if groom
's family loves her --> step 2
    1.2 if not, no marriege
2. groom
's family entourage proposed to the bride's family at the her house (meminang)
    2.1 if both family, bride & groom loves the proposal --> step 3
    2.2 if not
, no marriege
3. engagement sealed. both family discuss wedding arrangement: 
    - the wedding presents for the bride: the bride can request the gifts
    - wedding suffs: date, arrangements, etc.
4. bride & groom marries
(pernikahan)
    - a kadi will take vows from groom & bride, witnessed by bride's wali & people
    - after the vow, the marriege is solemnised

of course this is my, culture. & in Islam, you can actually it can merisik & meminang the guy, i.e. khadijah. but this is how traditional Malay goes. he might be in step 2. i don't know if he's in step 3. so there you go. good luck!

ps: if engagement is broken, the shame might be like being left alone on the altar on your wedding day. so hearts can hurt. but most people here just thickens their face & move on. ppl will talk, but there's nothing else we can do about it.

 




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Angela Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 January 2006 at 8:08am

Sussett,

I am Christian, raised Russian Orthodox and I married a Mormon.  Interfaith marriages are often very difficult.  My father's family took two years to recognize my marriage.  My father in law often pretended I didn't exist until we moved to Utah to be closer to them.  Now, he's distant at best, even after my conversion to the Mormon church.

This is magnified 10x by the fact that you are of completely different faiths and cultures.  My mother gave me a little word of wisdom years ago.  If you want to know what kind of husband the son will be, look at the father.  If this father is threatening to kill his son over his unwillingness to be married to this girl.  What kind of ideals of marriage was this boy raised with?  Will he treat you with dignity?

Also, Muslim men are not supposed to mix with women who are not "Mehram" to them.  Mehram means blood relations you cannot marry.  Like your aunt, sister, mother, etc.  So, his "friendship" with you is rather suspect as well. 

My advice as someone who's walked a shadow of the road your on, WALK AWAY.  But, whatever you do, don't mistake all that is going on as Islam.  Marriage in Islam is supposed to be an agreement between the husband and wife.  Not the fathers while the children are small.

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Susset, the mahr (dowery) is paid before marraige.  If he's paid the mahr he's most likely planning to marry her.

"Bismillah" simply means "in the name of Allah"

I agree with Jenni, you should really stop seeing this brother.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jenni Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 January 2006 at 5:31pm
Susset, walk away dear. While you can. I hightly advise against getting involved in this situation. Tell your friend to tell his parents that he has no further contact with you and this is his own desicion.  This is not a situation you want to be involved in as some cultures are very fanatic about arranging a childs marraige and become very angry if the arrangement is broken. They will hate you if you end up with him at least for many years. I would say move on, and tell him maybe you can support him by email or phone but thier is no chance of you being together. Peace
You cant be a good muslim if you are not decent and have a cold heart. Be a decent and kind person and care for women and children and the elderly.
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