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Dear David,

It is OK if it means like that, at first I thought that the word "Father" it can be assumed with something like: God has a wife, children, grandchildren, and even father or mother-in-laws and etc.
Thanks for your explanation David.

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Originally posted by DavidC DavidC wrote:

Originally posted by asep48garut60 asep48garut60 wrote:

Dear Tim the plumber,

Yes, I also don't know when the end will occur because of the knowledge of it is only Allah who knows it as mentioned in the Quran 7:187.
�They ask you about the Hour (Day of Resurrection):�When will be its appointed time?� Say:� The knowledge thereof is with my Lord (Alone). None can reveal its time but He. Heavy is its burden through the heavens and the earth. It shall not come upon you except all of a sudden.� They ask you as if you have a good knowledge of it. Say:� The knowledge thereof is with Allah (Alone), but most of mankind know not.�

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�But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only." Matthew 24:36

Yes, you're right David, no one knows, only God knows it.

The fundamental difference is: Quran 7:187 use the word "Lord" while Matthew 24:36 uses the word "Father".

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No difference, really. Functionally the same reference, the difference is semantic.   The word 'Lord' (adonai) is a relational word in the Bible. Any patron or person of honor would be addressed as lord by someone of lower status.

Jesus' use of 'Father' is an explicit reference to God. I think you can safely say this is one Bible verse which is confirmed by the Qu'ran, especially since the 'Son' is explicitly excluded from this foreknowledge.
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Originally posted by asep48garut60 asep48garut60 wrote:

Dear Tim the plumber,

Yes, I also don't know when the end will occur because of the knowledge of it is only Allah who knows it as mentioned in the Quran 7:187.
�They ask you about the Hour (Day of Resurrection):�When will be its appointed time?� Say:� The knowledge thereof is with my Lord (Alone). None can reveal its time but He. Heavy is its burden through the heavens and the earth. It shall not come upon you except all of a sudden.� They ask you as if you have a good knowledge of it. Say:� The knowledge thereof is with Allah (Alone), but most of mankind know not.�

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�But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only." Matthew 24:36

Yes, you're right David, no one knows, only God knows it.

The fundamental difference is: Quran 7:187 use the word "Lord" while Matthew 24:36 uses the word "Father".

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Originally posted by asep48garut60 asep48garut60 wrote:

Dear Tim the plumber,

Yes, I also don't know when the end will occur because of the knowledge of it is only Allah who knows it as mentioned in the Quran 7:187.
�They ask you about the Hour (Day of Resurrection):�When will be its appointed time?� Say:� The knowledge thereof is with my Lord (Alone). None can reveal its time but He. Heavy is its burden through the heavens and the earth. It shall not come upon you except all of a sudden.� They ask you as if you have a good knowledge of it. Say:� The knowledge thereof is with Allah (Alone), but most of mankind know not.�

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�But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only." Matthew 24:36

Edited by DavidC - 15 November 2016 at 7:52am
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Dear Tim the plumber,

Yes, I also don't know when the end will occur because of the knowledge of it is only Allah who knows it as mentioned in the Quran 7:187.
�They ask you about the Hour (Day of Resurrection):�When will be its appointed time?� Say:� The knowledge thereof is with my Lord (Alone). None can reveal its time but He. Heavy is its burden through the heavens and the earth. It shall not come upon you except all of a sudden.� They ask you as if you have a good knowledge of it. Say:� The knowledge thereof is with Allah (Alone), but most of mankind know not.�

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Originally posted by asep48garut60 asep48garut60 wrote:

Dear Tim the plumber,

I said that no one knows exactly about the age of the universe, who knew only God because He created the universe. Even the coming of the Hour is no human being knows as mentioned in His word.
If there are claims about the age of the universe, it's only according to human's estimates, not necessarily in accordance with God calculation.

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Those pescky scientists have a very precise date for the start of the universe. They have this from looking at the universe and understanding it.

It is indeed not in accordance with the age of the world as given in the Bible (I don't know about the Koran) and it's 13.772 billion years.

I have no idea what the coming of the Hour is all about.
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Dear Tim the plumber,

I said that no one knows exactly about the age of the universe, who knew only God because He created the universe. Even the coming of the Hour is no human being knows as mentioned in His word.
If there are claims about the age of the universe, it's only according to human's estimates, not necessarily in accordance with God calculation.

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