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DigitalStorm82
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Posted: 01 August 2006 at 11:30pm |
Asalamu Alaikum,
The concept of labor is fair only in terms of contract. Sorry, its a bit lengthy... Business point of view is... Employee establishes a contract with the employer to work for X amount for Y amount of Hours. Islam comes in when that contract is breached. If the employer is paying the employee less than what he said he would pay, of course we can take rulings from the financial transactions section of Islam and decide on the situation. Employer has to pay for EVERYTHING...which includes raw materials, productions, marketing, facilities...etc.. So now if the employer makes profit by selling the items... you say that he should be paid more. Why? Did he do more work than he was required to pay? Even if he put in overtime... he gets paid DOUBLE his wage. Is that not fair? Another scenerio... if the employer loses money because he wasn't able to sell the items... and the employees worked the same amount... isnt it fair that you get paid less? Thats not how the businesses work... the profit goes back into the company for expansion... of course not always... but thats the owners call... because its his business and his risk. If you think you're not getting paid enough for your wages... ask for a raise. Today's world... people work really hard to build a house... carrying bricks and what not... and make for example $10 an hour.. while a computer programer makes $60 an hour sitting in an air conditioned office... why the difference? Knowledge... To become the programer.. he went to college and paid for classes... he made an Investment... and his high paying job is the return on that investment. similarly with businesses... the owners take a big risk... sometimes the business plan fails and they have to try again... If the guy building a house feels he's not getting paid enough... he too can invest money in seeking knowledge... Religion aspect is to provide a guideline to the complete way of life... and keep everything fair. However, having labor in china or any other third world country... and paying that $0.70 an hour... of course thats just wrong, the labor is worth more than that... but at the same time... THEY CHOOSE to work for that low rate because they have no options... now that is exploiting for their own financial gains... Religion can intercede at this point on the grounds of good morals and caring for humanity. Ex. You shouldn't sleep on a full stomach knowing that your neighbor is starving... so knowing that these people are suffering from hunger and still paying them scrubs is obviously wrong. But again, there is no compulsion in the religion of Islam... so you cant force someone to follow Islam... But if the country law is based on Islamic principles... they can provide and enforce a solutions to these exploiting companies... I hope that answers your question. W'salaamz, Hamid |
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Ma'Salama,
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B.H.
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I am a new convert to Islam and do not by any means claim to be an expert on the Quran. However, I do believe Islam has the answer to the problem our friend Tim and we all are concerned about. The problem I think is that we are objecting to the wrong thing. Really, it isn't wages and such that we ought to be concerned about. It is obedience to the Quran. I remember reading in the Quran somewhere that people and workers are entitled to items of common use. I can't find the scripture reference right now, but a website I was reading said it applied in an economic sense. Items of common use include the basic necessities---food, clothing, shelter, basic health care, and basic education. Also, one should not have to pay interest on loans and the needy should have access to zakat donations given by their brothers and sisters. If a job does not pay you enough to provide the basic necessities of life or "items of common use" then you are indeed being exploited and the employer is violating the injuction found in the Holy Quran. I do not believe it is wrong to expect an employer to see to it that his/her employees are paid enough to enjoy items of common use as a required cost of doing business. Also, I do not believe it is wrong for those who lose their jobs due to market fluctuations to receive unemployment beneifts where offered and definetely should be able to take advantage of the zakat Allah commanded be provided for such in need. Edited by B.H. |
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B.H.
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Ah, this is the classic Marxist objection to capitalism. When I was an atheist I held rather Marxist economic positions. The business owner is going to claim that he had to work hard to save up the money to start the business and therefore deserves the profits for the last four hours of work to compensate for his previous sacrifice. The issue is how much is the business owner entitled to due to his ownership of the business and any previous sacrifice he had to make to start up the business. I don't think any religion I am aware of can tell you just exactly what a fair wage should be for a given job, title, or position, nor what a person should get for doing a job over "X" amount of years. I do think Islam provides the answer to what you are supposed to be able to do with what you make as a bare minimum. Be back in a minute....
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jajabinks101
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thankyou megatron.. when more people start to believe, then perhaps America will too...
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Megatron
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Wow...that post said a lot!! I can tell it came from the bottom of your heart. A lot of emotion there. I totally agree with everything you've said.
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jajabinks101
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Hi Everyone... If my post appears to be leading away from the topic of conversation, i apoligise...i have so much i want to say, but am not a person able to do it with reserve or compassion some times...perhaps my coversion to Islam will help me in future I posted a couple of questions last week, and mentioned that I was seriously thinking of converting to Islam....I was ridiculed by Americans, more so because Im british, and they think we owe them something....Ive been thinking, and i am going to convert to Islam, Not for any other reason than, that it is the right thing to do...I there for no longer see the USA as an allie, but an enemy that we should not attack physically, but pity because of their ignorance to other peoples freedoms, and ways of life. the hate for Islam and Muslim people i have personally witnessed from Americans, is abhorrant, and comparable to that of the Nazi and the Jew...an arrogance that beggers belief, and a bully boy attitude that has to be confronted. When everything in the world comes down to money, theres only one country to blame for much of the worlds unnaceptable state, both financially and physically and thats the USA.. with its false promises of help and release from oppresion, when it is infact they that are the oppresors..it is they that control the world economy, and if it looks to be sliding away from their favour they will put a pin in a map, and invade, which, honestly, only leaves them feeling better, they dont actually gain anything, and everyone else ends up losing out...because when the American pull out and leave the country to sort it self out, thousands who depended and believed in the US are singled out by the countries leaders and executed..no skin off the Americans noses, is it...they have gone home to their nice warm beds...the history of Americas policing of the world leaves only mayhem and death in its wake America is the root of all the worlds problems today, her foreign policies show horrendous resemblence to that of past dictatorial leaders, and because of her military might, she feels free to throw her weight around where and when she pleases. Like the criminal Americans who recently murdered innocent civilians in Iraq, Bush is a War criminal too, Blair on his leash is no better either....their greed for power and control both of world politics and money, does not allow the rest of the world freedom of their own affairs The War in Iraq was illegal, any killings that have taken place are there for murder, regardless of incident, and The US lead forces should pull out from Iraq now, and stop their occupation. this would allow the worlds economy to settle down, and come under some sort of control. Her forces are stretched as far as they will go, her popularity has fallen to rock bottom, unless your an American of course, in which case your unable to see past your nose anyway..the only people that see The USA as the great almighty world police force, fighting for good against evil, is the American...the story of David and goliath should be a lesson though. Take heed America....the hate for America, an all it stands for is being fuelled by your actions around the World today, and you have only your selves to blame 9/11 was an horrendous episode, and totally unnacceptable, but the response at some stage was expected surely..Like the big bully at school, one day some one will turn and bloody his nose, 9/11 was the USA's bloody nose...the only trouble is, they drag everyone in with them, the UK and other european forces who went to the war in iraq, but DID NOT want to be there..the whole thing is unacceptable....if as a muslim i am called to fight america, I will, once all peacful avenues have been exhausted..to fight and kill like an american is to lower your self to their level...Allah teaches us that peace is what we stand for, and peace is what i pray for..how about the USA letting the rest of the world live in peace, keep your capitalist way of life within your capitalist borders, islam will grow, and it will surround the evil like an anti body, and it will shine light every where that Allah is, and the world will be at peace.. Allah Uakhbar..Allah is just, as he is true, he will guide us to everlasting light, and to paradise.
Peace to all my brothers and sisters
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herjihad
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Bismillah, I agree with you, Megatron. Still to extend this thinking -- we can pursue political action, informing other people of what we know who have not become enlightened yet, and always remember, as you have said, to do the best we personally can. Peace |
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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schwester
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i think it is not just to take more from people than you give back. i believe that mankind should be able to answer where from comes his every penny, at least to try to answer. but, nowadays everyone has his own rules, and rules of power are always right in this world.
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