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simsman333
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Posted: 15 July 2019 at 7:50am |
There is no 'some', there is A LOT! And it has been around long before the modern 'jihad' trend that started in the 80's. Muslims in India have been massacred and oppressed since the beginning of the 20th century ,and even long before that ,and that's why Pakistan was established. Muslims have been oppressed by the Russian invaders in Chechnya, Dagestan and all the historically Muslim regions that were stolen by the Russian scum (look up "the Circassian Genocide": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassian_genocide ). And of course we don't have to talk about Palestine ,and the western/Christian-sponsored genocide of its native Muslim population by the Jewish Zionist terrorists for mere religious reasons. By the way, the guy in the video is extremely misunderstood. He is only referring to the current/very recent Islamist movements ,which are mainly supported by western Christian nations for political reasons. |
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simsman333
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Not true at all. Muslims are oppressed and killed everywhere ,much more than any violence/repression committed by Muslims against non-Muslims. It's just because you are a Christian ,and thus Islamophobic that you are denying/belittling systematic violence against Muslims. |
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yandex
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How about the conspiracy theory in the sunnah? That the meat rsts because of the Jews...
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "But for the Israelis, meat would not decay and but for Eve, wives would never betray their husbands." Sahih al-Bukhari 3330 |
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abuayisha
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A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence.
Memri's purpose, according to its website, is to bridge the language gap between the west - where few speak Arabic - and the Middle East, by "providing timely translations of Arabic, Farsi, and Hebrew media". Despite these high-minded statements, several things make me uneasy whenever I'm asked to look at a story circulated by Memri. First of all, it's a rather mysterious organisation. Its website does not give the names of any people to contact, not even an office address. The reason for this secrecy, according to a former employee, is that "they don't want suicide bombers walking through the door on Monday morning" (Washington Times, June 20). This strikes me as a somewhat over-the-top precaution for an institute that simply wants to break down east-west language barriers. The second thing that makes me uneasy is that the stories selected by Memri for translation follow a familiar pattern: either they reflect badly on the character of Arabs or they in some way further the political agenda of Israel. I am not alone in this unease. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/aug/12/worlddispatch.brianwhitaker |
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Al Masihi
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So what if Memri is showing the most extreme views of the Arab world, the facts are that things that are shown on Memri actually happen daily in the Arab and Islamic world. How is it propaganda if Memri is picking out views that actually exist and broadcasts them. Theres also the fact that many people you quoted have a bias towards Israel and Zionism, so none can really be regarded as unbiased. And also its common for Arabs and or Muslims to blame others for their own mistakes, no one shows them negatively to the world except themselves.
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abuayisha
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Brian Whitaker, the Middle East editor for The Guardian newspaper at the time, wrote in a public email debate with Carmon in 2003, that his problem with MEMRI was that it "poses as a research institute when it's basically a propaganda operation".[48] Earlier, Whitaker had charged that MEMRI's role was to "further the political agenda of Israel." and that MEMRI's website does not mention Carmon's employment for Israeli intelligence, or Meyrav Wurmser's political stance, which he described as an "extreme brand of Zionism".[44] Carmon responded to this by stating that his employment history is not a secret and was not political, as he served under opposing administrations of the Israeli government and that perhaps the issue was that he was Israeli: "If your complaint is that I am Israeli, then please say so." Carmon also questioned Whitaker's own biases, wondering if Whitaker's is biased in favor of Arabs – as his website on the Middle East is named "Al-Bab" ("The Gateway" in Arabic) – stating: "I wonder how you would judge an editor whose website was called "Ha-Sha-ar" ("The Gateway" in Hebrew)?[48]
Norman Finkelstein has described MEMRI as "a main arm of Israeli propaganda". In 2006, Finkelstein accused MEMRI of editing a television interview he gave in Lebanon in order to falsely impute that he was a Holocaust denier. In an interview with the newspaper In Focus in 2007, he said MEMRI uses "the same sort of propaganda techniques as the Nazis" and "take[s] things out of context in order to do personal and political harm to people they don't like".[49] Selectivity Several critics have accused MEMRI of selectivity. They state that MEMRI consistently picks the most extreme views for translation and dissemination, which portray the Arab and Muslim world in a negative light, while ignoring moderate views that are often found in the same media outlets.[44][45][46][47] Juan Cole, a professor of Modern Middle East History at the University of Michigan, argues MEMRI has a tendency to "cleverly cherry-pick the vast Arabic press, which serves 300 million people, for the most extreme and objectionable articles and editorials ... On more than one occasion I have seen, say, a bigoted Arabic article translated by MEMRI and when I went to the source on the web, found that it was on the same op-ed page with other, moderate articles arguing for tolerance. These latter were not translated."[50] Former head of the CIA's counterintelligence unit, Vincent Cannistraro, said that MEMRI "are selective and act as propagandists for their political point of view, which is the extreme-right of Likud. They simply don't present the whole picture."[51][52] Laila Lalami, writing in The Nation, states that MEMRI "consistently picks the most violent, hateful rubbish it can find, translates it and distributes it in email newsletters to media and members of Congress in Washington."[45] As a result, critics such as UK Labour politician Ken Livingstone state that MEMRI's analyses are distortion.[53][54] A report by Center for American Progress, titled "Fear, Inc.: The Roots of the Islamophobia Network in America" lists MEMRI as promoting Islamophobic propaganda in the USA through supplying selective translations that are relied upon by several organisations "to make the case that Islam is inherently violent and promotes extremism."[55] |
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Tim the plumber
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Eh? Are we talking about theology here or the social and economic situation in Islamic lands?
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DavidC
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The line separating good and evil goes directly through the heart of every individual.
This man is not wrong, but the answer is in one's personal connection with God and not in social groups. |
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Christian; Wesleyan M.Div.
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