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   Now when following verse of Quran is recited in front of Beloved Christians and Jews, many say that they donot beleive Quran. So I have posted info here in 9 parts that providee a solid reason to believe Quran as Final protected revelation of GOD:
How Quran is preserved by Lord - PART 1/9

Now finally we see what Allah Almighty has said in Final protected revelation, Quran:
Following verse of Glorious Quran is light for WISE Christians:

Quran 61:6 And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of an Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"

God sent Quran to Prophet [PBUH]  thrgh Angle Gabriel, who wud memorize it. 
Later It was preserved in two ways.
First, through memorization, there were a number of early Muslims who wud memorize each revelation as soon as it was revealed & thus whole Quran memorized at the time of the final revelation. The tradition of memorizing the entire Quran still continues, & a person who does so is called a Hafiz. Today there are ~ 10 million Hafiz in the world

How Quran is preserved by Lord � PART 2/9 

A discussion can be done with even an enemy if his criticism based on sound questions but it is wastage of time to discuss some thing with a a stubborn. Quran was sent by God in steps to Prophet Muhammad PBUH & in every month of Ramadan Angle Gabriel used to come & sit with prophet & used to revise already sent part of Quran. When Quran was completed, Gabriel came twice in last month of Ramadan to revise the Quran  FOR 100% CORRECTNESS �

How Quran is preserved by Lord � PART 3/9 

Second, the Quran was preserved through writing. Whenever any revelation took place, it was written at once on tablets, palm branches, shorn of leaves, or animal skin. The Prophet [PBUH] set the order of the chapters under the guidance of Angel Gabriel [PBUH] & ordered his companions to maintain that order. Abu Bakr, the first caliph of Islam, compiled the Quran, & Uthman, the third caliph, made numerous copies and sent one copy to each state capital

How Quran is preserved by Lord - PART 4/9
Eternal Miracle:
Al-Quran is the only ever living miracle. Today no other miracle of any prophet exists. Acrding to a survey, the number of Huffaz (who have memorized the whole Quran) today is more than 10 million. 
During the period of over 1400 years since the Quran was revealed, not a single letter was changed. This is one of the greatest miracles of the Quran. 
How mny people have memorized man-made over 75 conflicting editions of bibles in the world?

How Quran is preserved by Lord - PART 5/9

One may ask why not other sacred books were protected like Quran? Answer is very clear. All other Prophets & sacred books sent upon them were Ltd to a specific nation for a Ltd period. Once period was over that book was not needed as superseded by next one. i.e. Jesus was sent just for the LOST SHEEP of Jews. Prophet Muhammad & Quran is final Edition of Scared books and is for whole universe for unlimited time. This is said clearly in Quran; So this final revelation which is in fact final edition of all past scriptures is protected and preserved by Lord

How Quran is preserved by Lord - PART 6/9

Some versus of Quran:

"Verily, We Ourselves have sent down this Quran, & most surely We will be its Guardian, (15:10)
"Do they not then consider the Qur'an carefully? Had it been from other than Allah(GOD), they would surely have found therein much contradiction." [4:82]  (i.e: As IN MAN-MADE BIBLES)

Nay, but this Quran [divine writ which they reject] is a discourse sublime (85:21. Upon an imperishable tablet [inscribed] 85:22 

How Quran is preserved by Lord - PART  7/9

All 9 parts tell u the truth abt the final revelation of GOD but even a century & million scholars r not enuf to convince a stubborn. 

A stubborn is like dead rock, on which grows nothing even if u throw tons of water upon it daily. U will waste ur time.

God has said abt that type of stuborn in Quran: 

"And so, the parable of those who are bent on denying the truth is that of the beast which hears the shepherd's cry, and hears in it nothing but the sound of a voice & a call. Deaf are they, and dumb, and blind: for they do not use their brain toward wisdom". Quran 2:171)

How Quran is preserved by Lord - PART  8/9

JUDGE PRESERVATION OF GLORIOUS QURAN IN FOLLOWING VERSE OF QURAN: (ONLY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE TRUTH SEEKERS):

Say: "If all mankind and all invisible beings would come together with a view to producing the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce its like even though they were to exert all their strength in aiding one another!" (Glorious Quran 17:88)

Go also to WIKIPEDIA & search Quran & read it.

How Quran is preserved by Lord - PART 9/9

I request all BELOVED Christian readers to think tht; 

WILL a top most so intelligent scholar like this person convert to Islam WITHOUT STUDYING in DEPTH the Christianity/Islam; without analysing that Islam is good or bad, true or false??? 

Do u know theology more than this scholar?

Dr. Jerald F. Dirks converted to Islam:
Former minister (deacon) of the United Methodist Church. Holds a Master's degree in Divinity frm Harvard University & a Ph.D in Psychology frm the University of Denver. 
Follow this wise man & IF U R WISE

CLARIFICATION

Glorious Quran/Islam confirms and certifies that Pslam, Tora, Zaboor, INJEEL (Bible sent to Jesus PBUH) and all other scriptures sent to Prophets are true, but also tells that they have been corrupted by the interference of human hands and were sent to specific nations for specific time; whether Glorious Quran is protected final revelation & final edition of all sacred scriptures and is for whole universe - not limited to a specific nation for  a specific time, as Jesus was sent to ONLY AND ONLY lost tribes of Jews (as is clealy Given in Bible too).

Corruption does not mean that every verse is corrupted. Corruption mean that some unspecified portion and verses are corrupted  and still may have  some  real verses too inside.

FOR EXAMPLE:
ONE OF THE GREATEST SCHOLARS of Bibles Dr. Constantine von Tischendorf, who aft having personally examined the original hand written copies of the oldest available Four Gospels hv quoted:

�tht the texts for the physical ascension of Jesus to heaven or Jesus being carried by the angels to heaven, are lacking in these ancient documents. The texts tht are found within the published copies of the circulating gospels on the subject of the physical ascension of Jesus hv been added centuries later 

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TRUUTHZ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 21 March 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 26	Post Options Post Reply Quote TRUUTHZ Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Who is the Comforter? Posted: 24 March 2007 at 4:35pm
	Now when following verse of Quran is recited in front of Beloved Christians and Jews, many say that they donot beleive Quran. So I have posted info here in 9 parts that providee a solid reason to believe Quran as Final protected revelation of GOD: How Quran is preserved by Lord - PART 1/9 Now finally we see what Allah Almighty has said in Final protected revelation, Quran: Following verse of Glorious Quran is light for WISE Christians: Quran 61:6 And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of an Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!" God sent Quran to Prophet [PBUH] thrgh Angle Gabriel, who wud memorize it. Later It was preserved in two ways. First, through memorization, there were a number of early Muslims who wud memorize each revelation as soon as it was revealed & thus whole Quran memorized at the time of the final revelation. The tradition of memorizing the entire Quran still continues, & a person who does so is called a Hafiz. Today there are ~ 10 million Hafiz in the world How Quran is preserved by Lord � PART 2/9 A discussion can be done with even an enemy if his criticism based on sound questions but it is wastage of time to discuss some thing with a a stubborn. Quran was sent by God in steps to Prophet Muhammad PBUH & in every month of Ramadan Angle Gabriel used to come & sit with prophet & used to revise already sent part of Quran. When Quran was completed, Gabriel came twice in last month of Ramadan to revise the Quran FOR 100% CORRECTNESS � How Quran is preserved by Lord � PART 3/9 Second, the Quran was preserved through writing. Whenever any revelation took place, it was written at once on tablets, palm branches, shorn of leaves, or animal skin. The Prophet [PBUH] set the order of the chapters under the guidance of Angel Gabriel [PBUH] & ordered his companions to maintain that order. Abu Bakr, the first caliph of Islam, compiled the Quran, & Uthman, the third caliph, made numerous copies and sent one copy to each state capital How Quran is preserved by Lord - PART 4/9 Eternal Miracle: Al-Quran is the only ever living miracle. Today no other miracle of any prophet exists. Acrding to a survey, the number of Huffaz (who have memorized the whole Quran) today is more than 10 million. During the period of over 1400 years since the Quran was revealed, not a single letter was changed. This is one of the greatest miracles of the Quran. How mny people have memorized man-made over 75 conflicting editions of bibles in the world? How Quran is preserved by Lord - PART 5/9 One may ask why not other sacred books were protected like Quran? Answer is very clear. All other Prophets & sacred books sent upon them were Ltd to a specific nation for a Ltd period. Once period was over that book was not needed as superseded by next one. i.e. Jesus was sent just for the LOST SHEEP of Jews. Prophet Muhammad & Quran is final Edition of Scared books and is for whole universe for unlimited time. This is said clearly in Quran; So this final revelation which is in fact final edition of all past scriptures is protected and preserved by Lord How Quran is preserved by Lord - PART 6/9 Some versus of Quran: "Verily, We Ourselves have sent down this Quran, & most surely We will be its Guardian, (15:10) "Do they not then consider the Qur'an carefully? Had it been from other than Allah(GOD), they would surely have found therein much contradiction." [4:82] (i.e: As IN MAN-MADE BIBLES) Nay, but this Quran [divine writ which they reject] is a discourse sublime (85:21. Upon an imperishable tablet [inscribed] 85:22 How Quran is preserved by Lord - PART 7/9 All 9 parts tell u the truth abt the final revelation of GOD but even a century & million scholars r not enuf to convince a stubborn. A stubborn is like dead rock, on which grows nothing even if u throw tons of water upon it daily. U will waste ur time. God has said abt that type of stuborn in Quran: "And so, the parable of those who are bent on denying the truth is that of the beast which hears the shepherd's cry, and hears in it nothing but the sound of a voice & a call. Deaf are they, and dumb, and blind: for they do not use their brain toward wisdom". Quran 2:171) How Quran is preserved by Lord - PART 8/9 JUDGE PRESERVATION OF GLORIOUS QURAN IN FOLLOWING VERSE OF QURAN: (ONLY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE TRUTH SEEKERS): Say: "If all mankind and all invisible beings would come together with a view to producing the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce its like even though they were to exert all their strength in aiding one another!" (Glorious Quran 17:88) Go also to WIKIPEDIA & search Quran & read it. How Quran is preserved by Lord - PART 9/9 I request all BELOVED Christian readers to think tht; WILL a top most so intelligent scholar like this person convert to Islam WITHOUT STUDYING in DEPTH the Christianity/Islam; without analysing that Islam is good or bad, true or false??? Do u know theology more than this scholar? Dr. Jerald F. Dirks converted to Islam: Former minister (deacon) of the United Methodist Church. Holds a Master's degree in Divinity frm Harvard University & a Ph.D in Psychology frm the University of Denver. Follow this wise man & IF U R WISE CLARIFICATION Glorious Quran/Islam confirms and certifies that Pslam, Tora, Zaboor, INJEEL (Bible sent to Jesus PBUH) and all other scriptures sent to Prophets are true, but also tells that they have been corrupted by the interference of human hands and were sent to specific nations for specific time; whether Glorious Quran is protected final revelation & final edition of all sacred scriptures and is for whole universe - not limited to a specific nation for a specific time, as Jesus was sent to ONLY AND ONLY lost tribes of Jews (as is clealy Given in Bible too). Corruption does not mean that every verse is corrupted. Corruption mean that some unspecified portion and verses are corrupted and still may have some real verses too inside. FOR EXAMPLE: ONE OF THE GREATEST SCHOLARS of Bibles Dr. Constantine von Tischendorf, who aft having personally examined the original hand written copies of the oldest available Four Gospels hv quoted: �tht the texts for the physical ascension of Jesus to heaven or Jesus being carried by the angels to heaven, are lacking in these ancient documents. The texts tht are found within the published copies of the circulating gospels on the subject of the physical ascension of Jesus hv been added centuries later Edited by TRUUTHZ
	I was bold in the pursuit of knowledge, never fearing to follow truth and reason to whatever results they led." --Thomas Jefferson (1812)

TRUUTHZ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 21 March 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 26	Post Options Post Reply Quote TRUUTHZ Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 March 2007 at 11:08am
	Coming of Prophet Muhammad pbuh is given in almost all old scriptures (I hv personally read all) as in the book of Enoch, books of Hindus, books of Budh, Books of Parcies-Zartdists and BIBLES very clearly. But the people who do not believe prophet Muhammad escape away from this truth under differnt pretexts. The comforter foretold by Jesus Christ as reported by Gospel of John has been interpreted by Christians and Muslims differently Muslim scholars of comparative religion are unanimous in their opinion that the comforter referred to in the Bible, is non other than Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh), which glad tiding, the Christ gave according to Qur�an 61:6. On the other hand, the Christian scholars, disputing their claim, offer two different explanations of the �comforter; Let us analyses this �Key� word. The language spoken by Jesus Christ was Syriac. Unfortunately there are no ancient manuscripts available in the world today, to know the exact word spoken by the Christ. Whatever the original word, it was translated into Greek, which in turn has been translated as Comforter, Counsellor, Consolator, Assistant, Advocate, Consoler, Deprecator or Teacher in different English translations. What was the Greek word in the earliest Greek translations, can also be not known, as the oldest available Greek translation, today is from the 4th Century A.D. The present Greek Canon records it as Paracletus, while the Muslim scholars believe that it would have been Periclytos in the earlier Greek translations which are extinct today. Translating the names and then changing them with other words in different translations and versions is nothing new, they claim. Incidently, �Periclytos� may be translated as �Ahmed�, while Paracletus has been translated as Comforter or Teacher or other more than a dozen words. Muslims have a very strong case when they produce a historical witness from the 8th century A.D. which goes as under. The language of Palestine, the homeland of Jesus, remained Syriac upto well after 9th Century when Hebrew replaced it. The famous Muslim historian of 9th Century in his famous work �Seerah� (the life of the Prophet (Pbuh)) has mentioned, quoting the 8th century historian Ibn-e-Ishaq, the Syriac word of the 8th century versions of the New Testament. The word, he writes, �is �Munhamanna� which means Ahmed in Arabic and may be translated as Periclytos in Greek.� This record proves that the original word translated in earlier Greek translations would have been �Periclytos� meaning �Ahmed� in Arabic, instead of Paraclete. ======================== Now I will quote a top class Christian scholar/expert for those who always escape from truth with different pretexts: "And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Periqlytos, that he may stay with you for ever" (Bible: John xiv. 16) Multilingual Bible expert Rev. Benjamin David Keldani, Bishop of Urmia, opines that paraclete does not grammatically fit the sentence; by consideration of various other factors, the word in question ought to be periqlytos: It means praiser which in Arabic is nothing but Ahmad, the other name of Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh)� ================ Now finally we see what Allah Almighty has said in Final protected revelation, Quran: Following verse of Glorious Quran is light for WISE Christians: 61:6 And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of an Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!" =============== One may ask why not other sacred books were protected like Quran? Answer is very clear. All other Prophets & sacred books sent upon them were limited to a specific nation/tribe for a limited period. Once period was over, that sacred book was not in fact needed as superseded by next one. i.e. Jesus PBUH was sent just for the LOST SHEEP of Jews. Prophet Muhammad PBUH and Quran is final Edition of Scared books and is for whole universe for unlimited time; So is protected and preserved by Lord Edited by TRUUTHZ
	I was bold in the pursuit of knowledge, never fearing to follow truth and reason to whatever results they led." --Thomas Jefferson (1812)

George Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 14 April 2006 Status: Offline Points: 406	Post Options Post Reply Quote George Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 May 2006 at 12:42pm
	The Holy Spirit is the Comforter. Jesus said so. Jesus is the prophet like Moses. Peace Edited by George

AbRah2006 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 354	Post Options Post Reply Quote AbRah2006 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 May 2006 at 11:43am
	[QUOTE=Alibaba] Nice cutting and pasting - real intellectual response: Here's some more cutting and pasting; we could do this all day: Muslims claim: "MUHAMMED IS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH." John 16:13, Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. The Mullahs claim that the word "prophet" as used of Muhammed, is the same as "Spirit" in John 16, so Muhammed is the Comforter. Of course, this is patently absurd since the two words are NOT the same in the Greek, which was the language Jesus was speaking. "Spirit" is PNEUMA. "Prophet" is PROPHETES-- No similarity at all in Bible usage. ANSWER: Add to this the test of a prophet as given by the same Apostle, John, in I John 4:1, Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. The prophet Muhammed did confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, but there are two more tests of a prophet in the same context: I John 4:15, Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. *EDITED* John also gives one more test of the alleged prophet Muhammed: I John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? ------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Alibaba's statement: The prophet Muhammed did confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, but there are two more tests of a prophet in the same context: I John 4:15, Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. My response: Jesus is not the son of God! Jesus is not the son of God for Jesus is the son of Mary. That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they are doubting. It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to Him! When He decrees a thing. He but says to it "Be". and it is. (Quran 19:34-5). The Bible itself calls Jesus the son of man so many times throughout the Bible to prove that Jesus is a human being so Jesus is not the son of God. Furthermore, verses like John 3:2, John 6:14, John 7:40, Matthew 21:11, Luke 7:16 and 24:19 confirm that Jesus accepted the title of teacher, Prophet and called himself the son of man in Matthew 8:20, 12:40, 17:9 & 12, 26:24, Luke 9:26, 22:48, 22:69, and 24:7. The most conclusive verse that says Jesus is the son (servant) of man is Mark 14:26 where Jesus is mentioning the Day of Reckoning. Jesus specifically said we would see the son of man, not the Son of God, sitting in the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Since the Hebrews believed that God is One, and had neither wife nor children in any literal sense, it is obvious that the expression �son of God� merely meant to them �Servant of God�; one who, because of his faithful service, was close and dear to God, as a son is to a father. Consequently, the use of the term �son of God� should only be understood from the Semitic symbolic sense of a �servant of God�, and not in the pagan sense of a literal offspring of God. In the four Gospels, Jesus is recorded as saying: �Blessed are the peace-makers; they will be called sons of God.�(Matthew 5:9) Qur�an clarifies that Jesus� virgin birth did not change the state of his humanity �Surely, the example of Jesus, in Allah�s sight, is like that of Adam. He created him from dust and said: �Be!� and he was.� (Qur�an, 3:59). The act of begetting is a physical act and such act is against God�s nature. The Qur�an 19:35 says: *"It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter He only says to it "Be," and it is." (Maryam 19:35)* Therefore God has no sons for God is One and Only: Moses says "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." (Deuteronomy 6:4) , Jesus says "...The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord." (Mark 12:29) and the prophet Muhammad says "And your God is One God: There is no God but He, ..." (The Qur'an 2:163)
	God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)

BMZ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Joined: 03 April 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1852	Post Options Post Reply Quote BMZ Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 May 2006 at 2:01am
	Ali Baba, Questiona time, again. From you: "I'll pray to the Holy Spirit for guidance for you." Is it the same Holy Spirit that went to or was sent to the Jews earlier?

Alibaba Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 19 April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 134	Post Options Post Reply Quote Alibaba Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 May 2006 at 3:35pm
	Oh I see they edited Abrah's post. I wonder why - he has such a marvelous insight into things. Well, tea time tots - I'll pray to the Holy Spirit for guidance for you.

AbRah2006 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 354	Post Options Post Reply Quote AbRah2006 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 May 2006 at 12:19pm
	Hey Alibaba...You make so many slanders against Islam, Muhammad and Allah so I will refute your *EDITED* statements one by one soon! Edited by Mishmish
	God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)

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	Nice cutting and pasting - real intellectual response: Here's some more cutting and pasting; we could do this all day: Muslims claim: "MUHAMMED IS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH." John 16:13, Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. The Mullahs claim that the word "prophet" as used of Muhammed, is the same as "Spirit" in John 16, so Muhammed is the Comforter. Of course, this is patently absurd since the two words are NOT the same in the Greek, which was the language Jesus was speaking. "Spirit" is PNEUMA. "Prophet" is PROPHETES-- No similarity at all in Bible usage. ANSWER: Add to this the test of a prophet as given by the same Apostle, John, in I John 4:1, Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. The prophet Muhammed did confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, but there are two more tests of a prophet in the same context: I John 4:15, Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. *EDITED* John also gives one more test of the alleged prophet Muhammed: I John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? *EDITED* Edited by Mishmish