Quran and Crucifixion

Apple Pie,

086.001
YUSUFALI: By the Sky and the Night-Visitant (therein);-
PICKTHAL: By the heaven and the Morning Star
SHAKIR: I swear by the heaven and the comer by night;

086.002
YUSUFALI: And what will explain to thee what the Night-Visitant is?-
PICKTHAL: - Ah, what will tell thee what the Morning Star is!
SHAKIR: And what will make you know what the comer by night is?

086.003
YUSUFALI: (It is) the Star of piercing brightness;-
PICKTHAL: - The piercing Star!
SHAKIR: The star of piercing brightness;

086.004
YUSUFALI: There is no soul but has a protector over it.
PICKTHAL: No human soul but hath a guardian over it.
SHAKIR: There is not a soul but over it is a keeper.

086.005
YUSUFALI: Now let man but think from what he is created!
PICKTHAL: So let man consider from what he is created.
SHAKIR: So let man consider of what he is created:

086.006
YUSUFALI: He is created from a drop emitted-
PICKTHAL: He is created from a gushing fluid
SHAKIR: He is created of water pouring forth,

086.007
YUSUFALI: Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:
PICKTHAL: That issued from between the loins and ribs.
SHAKIR: Coming from between the back and the ribs.

086.008
YUSUFALI: Surely (Allah) is able to bring him back (to life)!
PICKTHAL: Lo! He verily is Able to return him (unto life)
SHAKIR: Most surely He is able to return him (to life).

086.009
YUSUFALI: The Day that (all) things secret will be tested,
PICKTHAL: On the day when hidden thoughts shall be searched out.
SHAKIR: On the day when hidden things shall be made manifest,

086.010
YUSUFALI: (Man) will have no power, and no helper.
PICKTHAL: Then will he have no might nor any helper.
SHAKIR: He shall have neither strength nor helper.

086.011
YUSUFALI: By the Firmament which returns (in its round),
PICKTHAL: By the heaven which giveth the returning rain,
SHAKIR: I swear by the raingiving heavens,

086.012
YUSUFALI: And by the Earth which opens out (for the gushing of springs or the sprouting of vegetation),-
PICKTHAL: And the earth which splitteth (with the growth of trees and plants)
SHAKIR: And the earth splitting (with plants);

086.013
YUSUFALI: Behold this is the Word that distinguishes (Good from Evil):
PICKTHAL: Lo! this (Qur'an) is a conclusive word,
SHAKIR: Most surely it is a decisive word,

086.014
YUSUFALI: It is not a thing for amusement.
PICKTHAL: It is no pleasantry.
SHAKIR: And it is no joke.

086.015
YUSUFALI: As for them, they are but plotting a scheme,
PICKTHAL: Lo! they plot a plot (against thee, O Muhammad)
SHAKIR: Surely they will make a scheme,

086.016
YUSUFALI: And I am planning a scheme.
PICKTHAL: And I plot a plot (against them).
SHAKIR: And I (too) will make a scheme.

086.017
YUSUFALI: Therefore grant a delay to the Unbelievers: Give respite to them gently (for awhile).
PICKTHAL: So give a respite to the disbelievers. Deal thou gently with them for a while.
SHAKIR: So grant the unbelievers a respite: let them alone for a

The 86:7 talks about creation of man, and 86:8 talks about that we all, everyone of us will be brought back to life on the day of judgement.

This shows you are here only to spread lies about Islam with no interest for interfaith dialogue. Many posters in this thread have very clearly showed with evidence from Qur'an that crucifixion of Jesus ( peace be upon him ) never took place, that he didn't die on the cross. Yet, you stand your position against this without any reason or evidence. 

Enough has already been explained, I am now being forced to close this thread, the very creation of which was to create false impression about Qur'an.

And you are warned again not to spread lies about Islam here.

Peace

Andalus wrote: Apple Pie wrote: fredifreeloader wrote: well, tell us more apple pie....... The sura title alone tells us that it is about Jesus (i.e. The Morning Star)... For those not aquainted with Apple, he is somewhat of an oddball evangelical well known for his long winded, juvenile tirades. He spends a great deal of time producing really bad pieces, coming across as some sort of "independent researcher". A warning to all (including Christians): He will waste your time like no other as you will soon discover he will obfuscate and twist verse interpretations to make outlandish conclusions such as the Quran confirms the doubtful church work known as Revelations, or that the Quran confirms the church's views on Jesus, or other nonsensical notions. Apple will circumvent every rule of debate and critical thinking and on other forumns where he is known he is simply ignored or banned. Apple has no real intent on debate or discussion, and he will simply waste your time. Keep in mind that Apple takes his work very serious, regardless of the rules of logic that he breaks, or the basic notions of honest rhetoric. The second shock that will hit you is when one ultimately understands that he truly feels his work is "serious". If interested, I can paste links from another forum to all of the material he has trashed the forum with now, and I could save him time by pasting the links to the future bits of silliness he will no doubt place here.

Now that we all know your true feelings...how about refuting our exegesis'...?

Or....perhaps you are unable....

peacemaker wrote: Apple Pie: Which verse is it in surah 86? Would you answer it to prove that you are not spreading lies? Peace

86.7....refers to Jesus' Crucifixion

86.8....refers to Jesus' Resurrection

peacemaker wrote: Apple Pie: "Indeed the Koran refers to (and confirms) the Crucifixion of Jesus. Sura 86 tells us without a doubt that it occurred..." Once again you are speading lies without any evidence. Sura 86, which verse? Can you explain that? Peace

First off, we don't lie.

Period.

Calling others "liars" is the last recourse of an individual that has no defensible position. 

We would hope that this does not apply to you.

Secondly, please explain the sura title for us - just so that we understand why this sura was named as it was...

Thanks...