Islamic Practice & Logic

Hello Barazi.

I m not studing anythink, nothing, just basics scools...I m sory if I m not talk Logicaly ;)

If you allow me, i want say my comments...

Everyhuman has different thought of Logic. ...

Somethinks can logicaly for you but for me not....

There  can always a Logic in every think, its up to human, how he/she  see and think it...also knowledge is important

There is thinks, I tryed find the logic for somethinks, after anothers explain of Logics so that was not Logicaly for me..  After many years passed so I got the Logic...

I think my comments are not so important..But That is my Logic about Logic ;)

Barazai M G

As' Salaamu Alaikum,

Brother I understand your position and somewhat feel the same way you do, and as a Islamic Philosophy Student I too sometimes struggle with the particulars of religion. Like most mainstream monotheistic faiths, there is no unision in the sense of what is correct to follow and not correct to follow except the belief in God and the obligatory aspects of belief following that. I understand what you mean when you say how can we discern from faith and superstition brother as we all are traverlers in god's universe its up to us to find our own answers.

Unfortunately in reality our beliefs aren't in unison to each other that is why we must strive to better ourselves in our endeavours whatever they are. Brother I extend an ofer to you if you wish to discuss more issues privately I will be more than happy to help you.

Before continuing in this discussion I would like to say that I�m pleased to see everyone being calm and supportive.  I really admire that.

Answering and replying to your questions and comments:

Mishmish: 

First Comment;

Yesterday I read a post.  Someone was having trouble praying and they were blaming the devil.  We could argue about whether or not that is a logical blame.  I would blame myself before I blame the devil.  The most illogical response was a man who said, �Dry spit three times to the left.�  What does that mean?  Is that supposed to scar away demons or the devil?  Why can�t this person just stand up, do it over again and focus.  I�ll admit that I lost focus sometimes in prayer.  It doesn�t happen often but sometimes it does.  When that happens I stop, close my eyes, breath and relax to clear my mind and then start over with prayer.

Second Comment;

You said that we must remember Allah always and by praying five times a day we would remember him.  This way we will not steer away from the path.  I think we should give human beings more respect than that.  Are we so ignorant and blind that we can�t stay on a straight path for more than a few hours?  Sure some people are like that.  It reminds me of a clinical ill person who needs drugs every few hours to stay sane.  I pray three times a day.  I used to pray five but I didn�t find it helpful for me.  I pray first thing in the morning then after my day is finished and then before I sleep.

Third Comment:

I think so called �Scholars� disagree too much.  I don�t believe in the hijab all together.  I don�t see it mentioned in Quraan and I don�t see why it�s necessary when even women who wear hijab can be rapped.  So what if men look?  You can�t stop that.  It�s the mans fault for having a dirty mind, not yours.  If you reveal too much of your body then you have contributed to the sick mind of a man who will undress you in his head but believe me when I say that nothing can interrupt a mans thoughts when they are dirty.  It�s the character of the man and his respect that should be questioned here.  Not a woman hair.  I also don�t believe in being offensive.  If I�m in a place where most women wear hijab I will ask my wife to do the same.  Even if all the men are dressed a certain way I would want to imitate them out of respect.  I�m not saying, �When in Rome do what the Romans do,� because the Romans were sick people as are many people in the USA and all over the world.  I�m just saying that it�s harmless to show your hair when you are a confident, conservatively dressed person in the USA.  Even in Syria.  I only mention the tow countries I have lived in.

Fourth Comment:

I�m not risking a sin because I don�t see the sin.  If you say a tattoo is altering my body then is changing the color of your car altering the car?  No.  It�s changing the appearance.  A tattoo on my should is not as drastic as an entire cars paint job but it�s a similar situation.  I believe if I remove my hand intentionally or modify my bodies basic function then I�m altering my body.  Altering, not decorating.

Fifth Comment:

I am not embarrassed by my beliefs.  Where and when did Allah say I can�t shake your hand?  If you politely decline my hand shake I would smile at your and respect your belief.  Even if in the back of my mind I think you�re wrong I would respect your decision.  Personally I don�t see what�s wrong with a hand shake.  It�s confusing.  I walk into a room with women wearing hijab and I have no idea whose hand to shake and whose hand I shouldn�t.  Some women want a hand shake and some don�t.  It doesn�t bother me but it�s just something I think about.  Like this whole right hand right foot issue.  It�s silly.

Last Comment:

A few years ago I was what I call a, �Blind Muslim.�  I went to the Masjed every Friday and at least two times a week I was there for Fajr prayer.  I was always among the first 10 people in the Masjed on Friday and among the last to leave.  I prayed AT LEAST five times a day with all the sunnah prayers after and before.  It got old!  I felt like it was too much and it didn�t mean anything so I cut down to the basic five prayers and brief visit to the Masjed only on Fridays.  Then I started to learn more about Hadeeth.  This is when my outlook on Islam COMPLETELY changed.  I ONLY follow the Quraan.  There is nothing to prove Hadeeth.  If the prophet said to do something that is good then it�s safe to do it.  If he said to do something that doesn�t make sense and it�s not in the Quraan then I don�t think it�s something he ever said at all.  I study Islam regularly alone and with scholars and groups.

Amah:  I read the Quraan in detail.  I�m not an expert because I recently started.  If there is anything to learn here I will do so and I will always ask questions.  I appreciate your willingness to help.  I believe that the Quraan should be read with explicit attention to detail and with a solid foundation of Arabic.  The misinterpretation of the Quraan comes from the lack of understanding Arabic.  Even the best scholars in this world don�t always understand Arabic.  There is a very simple formula to use for those who don�t understand certain words.  It�s all WITHIN the Quraan and not just in our Arabic classes.  Hadeeth, however has not way to be proven true.  If it�s backed by the Quraan then I will believe it.

BlueSun:  No.  I don�t feel remorse.  I can�t feel remorse when I don�t believe I�m sinning.  I hope that makes sense.

Fatima:  There was once something in my life that I thought was dear.  GIRLFRIENDS and lots of them.  I was ignorant and I was more interested in my pleasure.  I will admit that it was then where I was remorseful and knew I was committing sins.  I gave it up because I knew it was wrong.  Now I�m happily married to woman who shares my religious beliefs.  Currently I don�t feel like I�m committing any sins.  Do you suspect anything?  LOL

Angel:  I�m glad to hear that.  I wasn�t only thinking about volleyball and shorts.  I hope you understood my point.