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peacemaker 
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Posted: 28 May 2006 at 3:30pm |
Apple Pie: "This thread is not about islam (as you incorrectly stated).
It is about the koran."
Qur�an is the holy book in Islam. When you make fun of Qur�an, you are making fun of Islam.
But, the point is why did you start this thread in the first place? To mock at Qur�an and Islam; this is slandering Islam without any reason or ability to have interfaith dialogue, something you have been showing here even after having 125 posts.
Comply with guidelines, this is another warning.
I am going to close this thread.
Peace
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Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
Qur'an 55:13
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Apple Pie
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Posted: 28 May 2006 at 1:39pm |
 peacemaker wrote:
Applie Pie,
Comply with guidelines, and don't beat about the bush. This is warning.
Peace
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This thread is not about islam (as you incorrectly stated).
It is about the koran.
Secondly, I don't beat around the bush.
If there is something about 4.171 that bothers you, then be specific...
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peacemaker
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Posted: 28 May 2006 at 1:28pm |
Applie Pie,
Comply with guidelines, and don't beat about the bush. This is warning.
Peace
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Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
Qur'an 55:13
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Apple Pie
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Posted: 28 May 2006 at 1:26pm |
peacemaker wrote:
Apple Pie,
It seems that your interest here is only to slander Islam with fabrication and lies with the support of anti-Islam sources. You don't seem to show any interest for interfaith dialogue.
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Proper exegesis of your "scriptures" is not slander...
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peacemaker
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Posted: 28 May 2006 at 1:23pm |
Apple Pie,
It seems that your interest here is only to slander Islam with fabrication and lies with the support of anti-Islam sources. You don't seem to show any interest for interfaith dialogue.
Peace
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Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
Qur'an 55:13
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Apple Pie
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Posted: 28 May 2006 at 1:21pm |
Mishmish wrote:
Apple Pie:
Who is "we"?
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Mishmish wrote:
As someone who comes here and states that all of the Arabic scholars have been incorrect,
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Who ever stated this, except you�?
Mishmish wrote:
including the Prophet Mohammed who receieved the Message from God, about what is written in the Quran, I would expect you to have some sort of Arabic training or credentials.
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Since, according to the Koran, Islam�s �prophet� never wrote the Koran, nor dictated it to anyone�how exactly would anyone need �credentials� to uncover this fact�?
Read, and exegete the text.
Simple.
Mishmish wrote:
Classic Arabic is still spoken in the Gulf Region of the Middle East. It is not an obscure dead language, nor is it forgotten, but rather alive and used daily. Hal tifham.
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You already admitted the difference between Classic and Modern Arabic.
There would have been no need to acknowledge this if you felt that Arabic, as a language, had never changed�
Mishmish wrote:
The cold hard fact is that you have brought forth an incorrect translation of the Word of God and tried to fob it off as the only "true" translation, then used Arabic in an incorrect context to verify your statements.
I believe you do not speak, write, nor understand a word of Arabic, and have dug up this obscure blasphemy from somewhere and brought it forth as your own conclusion.
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If you truly feel this way, then let�s systematically exegete each and every single solitary word in 4.171 � and find out who has the better understanding of the text.
Up for that..?
If not�then you have no basis for your position.
Mishmish wrote:
This Ayat does not state that God has a son, it states that God has no son. This is not a mistranslation on the part of a billion+ Muslims, Arabic linguists, Arabic scholars, secular Arabic scholars, Christian Arabic scholars, nor The Prophet Mohammed(PBUH).
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Please show us the Arabic word(s) �God has no son��in 4.171�
Good luck�
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Mishmish
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Posted: 28 May 2006 at 1:05pm |
Apple Pie:
Who is "we"?
As someone who comes here and states that all of the Arabic scholars have been incorrect, including the Prophet Mohammed who receieved the Message from God, about what is written in the Quran, I would expect you to have some sort of Arabic training or credentials.
Classic Arabic is still spoken in the Gulf Region of the Middle East. It is not an obscure dead language, nor is it forgotten, but rather alive and used daily. Hal tifham.
The cold hard fact is that you have brought forth an incorrect translation of the Word of God and tried to fob it off as the only "true" translation, then used Arabic in an incorrect context to verify your statements.
I believe you do not speak, write, nor understand a word of Arabic, and have dug up this obscure blasphemy from somewhere and brought it forth as your own conclusion.
This Ayat does not state that God has a son, it states that God has no son. This is not a mistranslation on the part of a billion+ Muslims, Arabic linguists, Arabic scholars, secular Arabic scholars, Christian Arabic scholars, nor The Prophet Mohammed(PBUH).
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It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)
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Apple Pie
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Posted: 28 May 2006 at 12:54pm |
Mishmish wrote:
Please take a closer look at the Ayats. The whole basis of Islam is the belief that there is only One God, God has no Son, nor is God a Trinity. This thread is actually not even worth addressing because it is such a travesty of what is written, but there are others who truly know little of Islam who might be confused by the perverted translation put forth by Apple Pie.
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Again�we are discussing what the Koran states�not Islam�s interpretation of their scriptures.
Do you follow the Koran?
Or�
Do you follow Islam?
The Koran is clear:
- Jesus is the Son
- Jesus is God
- The concept of the Biblical Trinity is true
Mishmish wrote:
This thread is actually not even worth addressing because it is such a travesty of what is written, but there are others who truly know little of Islam who might be confused by the perverted translation put forth by Apple Pie.
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Interesting that a thread �not even worth addressing� has got you responding wildly�
Once again�.this thread is discussing what the Koran states.
Not what Islam states.
You need to keep them separated, as they definitely are not the same thing�
Thanks�
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