Political Diatribe

Allow to say that I understand both sides of the coin here. Angela I agree that the moderators do the best they can. I equate them with politicians. We all know that politicians ideally are to serve the best interest of the people however even when coming into office everyones needs may never get met. Not saying that the moderators do not meet the needs of the people in the sense of being the "forum police" they do the best they can in censoring people. BTW Angela in the Announcement section (if you haven't noticed) they did post the names of people that were banned.

On the flip side of it I do see Angela's point here. There is continuous postings of the negative image of the United States. There is a double standard (indirectly if you would say) that there is the allowance of the dislike and hatred towards the United States. I can say that even one of you moderators had posted articles about the United States military killing people. I probably shouldn't say this but in a similar comment Angela to brother Rami and I asked him why the allowance and acceptance of postings against the United States and he told me: "Because the United States is the number one aggressor in the world." Although he is right I still think in my opinion that that is crap and a double standard. We Muslims have so many negative images already why continue the cycle by allowing members to talk freely about America and yes I agree with Angela why live in India but talk crap about the tax system and call it "global injustice!?"

So yes I agree and see Angela frustration because I too as an American and as a member on the forum. On this forum there is no such thing as "freedom of speech" the moment you make rules for anything freedom is out the door. I think what we need here are discussion about the wars and such but dialogue should not shift to how bad America is. For any Muslim inAmerica who dislikes America its hypocritical when they live here and send they kids to the institutions here in my opinion but this is going off topic....

Hi Anglea:  

Greetings to you.

Angela: "If I posted a tribute to one of the butchers of Fallujah who might be killed in action, it would be deleted and I would be banned."

The topic starter of that thread in question had been banned. If you recall, he was allowed only after many apologies that he would behave well in the future. I have warned him many times in public, and also in private. Other moderators too have warned him in different ways, both public and private. I had also warned AbRah in public, de facto, all my warnings to him were in public. Rules are same for everyone, and there is no double standard here. That doesn't mean that we can't make mistakes as we are all human beings. But, we improve with each day by the grace of Allah.

There is no need to use the term "militant Islam" because Islam is peace and submission to Allah. I have also answered in that thread that killing innocent civilians anywhere under any circumstances is not allowed in Islam. Period. I hope that is clear.

Angela: "I'm very upset with the Moderators.  Why?  Because I know you all, save Anadalus."

You had problem with Brother Andalus, and that was peacefully resolved. Sister Mishmish and I both had asked Brother Andalus not to start a topic on Mormonism, and he complied with our request. Now he is moderator, and I don't see if there has been any problem between you and him since then. Why to bring him in this complaint in the first place?

Sister Angela, we think that you are here to sincerely learn about Islam, and hope that you would continue to do so. Things always don't happen as we wish, but we still keep moving towards our goal, as that is part of our faith.

Peace

Angela wrote:

"The problem with AbRah and with his being banned.  Is unlike some others who were told flat out about their behavior (nonmuslims) we never saw word one from any of you over his behavior.  We would have only known he was banned when he never responded to anymore posts without my previous request.  The only warning I saw you give him was for Large/bold print.....never once did you chastise him for attacking and demeaning another religion."

This is simply not true. I warned him numerous times that the language, etc, he was using would not be tolerated. The Warnings are still on the threads. I also edited/deleted numerous posts from him regarding insults to other religions.

Unfortunately in this circumstance perhaps everyone is seeing from their own perspective. Abrah was banned, no one said a word, Fred, who was just as abusive, and was so for much longer, was banned and people were shocked and complained.