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akuihaq
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Asalam.....bro n sister in ISLAM. Insya Allah together we prayed for the light of ALLAH (NUR of Islam) will be in each muslim heart so the NAR will disappeared from us. Alhamdulillah... |
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Sophonisbe
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Salam Aleikhum companion Superme Pardon for the delay in answering you. My work also steals me a lot of time, I hope that you apologize me. First, you ask for a reference of the OT that justifies the attitude of a government - the Israeli - (who is not that of the whole people - the Jew - as you will be able to suppose). In this regard we might enter a dialectical game without end because, since you know, any verse of the Torah, of the Bible or of the Sacred Quran has had multiple interpretations, according to the interests of the commentators every epoch. And if we base on these commentaries everyone can try to justify very different things. But if I, personally, had to choose a textual appointment, for what this have of universally (directed to all the villages) and out of time (for not referring to a certain historical period) I would remain with this part of the Decalogue (The Commandments) that this says precisely: you will not kill, and will not covet the foreign properties. This is said in an incisive way and ado commentary. One does not speak not about Philistines, cananeans, nabateans, Romans etc � .. or blacks, indians, china people etc �. It doesn�t even have caducity. Even today I believe that no people and much less no govern has been capable of respecting faithfully these procedure. However we try to camouflage, the wars, the death penalty, the abortions and other pearls of our current "civilization" (beyond our religions, races, cultures and ideologies) do not stop being a flagrant violation of this divine mandate. Secondly you handle a few terms difficult to make compatible. To speak about (political) "governments" and "innocence" turns out to be Utopian. Habitually we are accustomed to an equation equally difficult Government / Justice for that we must fight. But, seriously, you believe that it is feasible to bring together Politics and Innocence?. And thirdly, when you debate with the companion Dworsky, speeches of the support yanki to the Israeli government, saying: The power bases of them is the American support. This is something undeniable. But say me: In the Politics of Middle East when there has not existed a support partial to any power ( The route of the solution I believe that one finds in "make a devils" with the enemy neither, in mixing the religion with the politics. We take the risk that the pagan or atheistic peoples accuse the monotheists of being the most bloodthirsty peoples of the History. I do not believe that this it is Allah's will (salaju ale�ji wa salam). Salaam |
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Daniel Dworsky
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An entertaining study of gratuitous evil
http://www.ericblumrich.com/thanks.html What's worse? The monsters or their makers. Bushs 1 and 2 one and two made Sadam and the Taliban Bush senior was CIA director years before he was president. Here in Israel we made the Hamas as a means to confound Palestinian democracy [QUOTE=StarComm] Maybe we should just turn our backs on the whole palestinian israeli thing...it seems they love attention and do everything to get it. And then when they get it people die....why is no world power excersising some real preasure on both sides? is it just a thing that is kept raging so we can watch at it and feel sorry for them? Like it is impossible for a jew and a muslim to live in the same country....shame on them both.[/ QUOTE] Oh you mean like ignore us and we'll go away? No. Ignore us and We'll slaughter each other like cattle because no ones watching. When we are not wretched we are political morons. Edited by Daniel Dworsky |
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Daniel Dworsky
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We are definitely on the same page. I'm sorry I made you a fruit. |
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superme
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Now I remember you, you the one who forced me to go banana. I don't deny the existance of good people in every society nor denying the existing of bad people in it. But this so called Israeli govt is a contradiction of the jewish claim of innocence as a whole. The power base of them is the American support. To get that support they need the jewish lobby. The jewish lobby is made up of jews. Therefore it is the jews that commiting the attrocities. I am not a columnist or anything even closer as a writer so I don't know how to put this into better word. I should be the last person on this earth who talk about race as I don't believe in race, but this is a contradiction. If the jews as a whole believe they are something special or better than others (count me out in that) than I need to see the proof for it. But I am still waiting for Sophonisbe or anyone OT's quotation of the basic instruction. Without this instruction the OT claims are in question. God guides, his guidance is fo all.
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herjihad
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Bismillah, Thank you, Daniel, for coming back to share this with us. May Allah, The Most Loving, bless the Olive Tree Movement and you for telling us about it. Peace |
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Daniel Dworsky
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It's now official. Israelis with an active conscience are now at risk in Israel
proper. I was at a very tame demo night before last night. And we had government people agitating from the inside that were so obvious that even the commies could spot them. I'm posting again because although our (Israeli) government is totally corrupt and populated with criminals we have some good people here and we are on the case regardless what happens or who boycotts or what ever. Check this out ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dimi Reider < [email protected]> Date: Jul 3, 2006 11:52 AM ????? ?????? ????? ?? ???? 25.6- 1.7 E Dear friends, Please find bellow a summary of the activities of the Olive Tree Movement for 25 June to 1 July Including: 1) Visits to to the Sourasky Medical Centre in Tel Aviv 2) Summer camp construction at the Jahelin tribe near Anata 3) Plans for next week 1. Visits to Ichilov: This week Jamillah, Amir, Libi and Dimi visited Palestinian patients hospitalized in Tel Aviv's Ichilov Hospital. We contacted three families � the family of Ilham Raliah injured in the infamous Gaza Beach bombing a few weeks ago; the family of a small child who was injured in the soon to follow infamous bombing in Gaza City; and the family of another child who is hospitalized in a coma following an operation to remove a brain tumor. We have also met some other family members forced to lodge at Ichilov (see below for details on their current situation). A. Ilham Raliah We have written at length on the situation of Ilham Raliah in an earlier email (see attached MS Word file). To remind you, we have sent an urgent email pleading for women Arabic-speaking volunteers to come forward to relieve her uncle off his shift. Her uncle is the only relative to be allowed into Israel, and he needs to return to Gaza; plus, his position as her sole caretaker becomes increasingly awkward for both of them, with her being a grown woman and he a grown man, both adherent Muslims. We therefore asked for volunteers to replace him until we can get a permission for his wife to replace him at her bedside. We are very glad to report that the response to our plea was remarkable � within 24 hours we have received over a dozen emails and phonecalls with people offering themselves as caretakers. We now have enough volunteers to cover for all the visiting hours, thank you so much! We are now busy coordinating those volunteers according to shifts. B. Families of patients at Ichilov � a report Considering the situation in other Israeli hospitals, the visit to Ichilov left us considerably impressed. No Israeli hospital is obliged under law to provide anything for Palestinian escorts of the patients it treats (notwithstanding the fact that they are effectively imprisoned within its walls, their entrance to Israel permits valid only for the hospital grounds) , but it appears that the administration of Ichilov prefers to follow its conscience. Escorts of adult patients: At the moment the families of adult patients have a place to sleep � two disused wards in a quiet corner of the hospital compound. The wards, one for men and one for women, are provided with beds, hospital linen, a fridge, a kitchenette, showers and free to use laundry facilities (!). The hospital also provides the families with breakfast, lunch and dinner coupons; compare this to Wolfson Hospital where the families get one meal a day and to Tel haShomer hospital where they get none. This does not go so far as to suggest that there's nothing to improve; the floors in the wards were dirty, the linen hadn't been changed in a while. On the other hand, when we called to complain the relevant officials expressed their surprise and promised to take care of it immediately. All in all this is still an inhumane, absurd situation in which people are literally confined to their loved one's bedsides; but it appears that Ichilov truly does try to provide these "prisoners" with things that would make their imprisonment bearable. Families of children hospitalized at Dana: The relatives of children hospitalized in the Dana Hospital (part of Ichilov) are also provided with showers & 3 meals a day. They sleep at their children bedsides, just like all the other parents at the hospital. At the side of the bed of each of the children there is an armchair which unfolds into a bed. We also understand that the hospital provides diapers for the children, which can't be said of Tel haShomer. All in all the impression was rather good. Dimi has undertaken to organize a "leisure" corner at the hospital � a crate or a cupboard stuffed with books, papers and journals in Arabic, and also perhaps some sets of chess and chequers. If anyone has any of the above items to donate, please contact him on [email protected]. We already received a donation of magazines and journals in Arabic from the Yaffa Coffeshop & Bookstore of Yeffet street, Jaffa, for which we are abundantly grateful. If anyone has an actual cupboard to donate, this would also come in very handy. Please contact Dimi as above. 2. The Jahelin Tribe Summercamp We returned this week to the Jahelin Tribe encampment east of Anata, East Jerusalem, and continued the construction of the shack destined to host a summercamp for the summer and a clinic & library for the rest of the year. The work did not go as fast as we planned, since nothing was done since our last visit. If anyone has any ideas on how to ensure that work would go on without the volunteers constantly present, do make it known. Anyhow, we did have lots of fun and be completed the roof of the shack. While some of us were working on the shack Sandra gave a few English lessons to the girls of the encampment; pictures and videos soon to follow. We also purchased a delivery of concrete to make the floor for the shack. The purchase was made from Jameelah's own pocket. Anyone who can and wishes to help to alleviate this expense (about 3,000NIS) is welcome to donate to acc.no. 104898, Bank Hapoalim, Rotschild Branch (No.634). 3. Plans for next week We will return to Jahelin this coming Saturday, 8 July. We need volunteers, especially volunteers with big cars that can help us pick up wood and materials from nearby industrial zones. We could also use some isolating material ( i.e. old banners), and a great deal of nails � a bucket or two at least. As to the visit itself, we will leave Tel Aviv Central ("Northern", "Arlozorov") Train Station at 8:30am on Saturday morning, and should be able to pick up Jerusalem area volunteers at 9:30am from the Giva Zarfatit Junction. Please contact us as far in advance as possible so we can take make sure we have enough vehicles for everyone. Please contact Jameelah on 0524341840. Many thanks and all the very best, The Olive Tree Movement Summary: Dimi Reider Yafit Gamila Biso The olive tree movement http://groups.google.com/group/olivetreemov maniah shohat st. 2/5 rishon litsion 75241-- israel tel 0524341840 --- home 0722126041 mail : [email protected] |
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superme
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Alaikum salaam.
When I have enough time - even on the weekdays I make few replies but sometimes I just can't do it, now is a bit a restricted so I will comeback again for this later on.
And for the time being: Please give me an explicit injunction from the OT that forbid harming fellow human beings, neighbours, women, children, disabled etc. Also what is the explicit rulings about other people properties and belonging in generals.
We need to know if the God did actually gave them guidance to live in this world with other creatures in respect.
That's all for the time being, I have to go to work.
Salaam
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