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    Posted: 11 August 2006 at 7:49am

Originally posted by Duende Duende wrote:

Hanan, I'm so glad you came to this forum! Another passionate voice
of reason.


"He speaks about how the war in Iraq is not using up the US's 'finest'
(as GW Bush would have us believe) but more like the US's dregs who
have very little choice but to enlist in an army which promises them
food and shelter, education etc., and who are energetically recruited
from the places they frequent by officers who understand precisely
the kind of 'cannon fodder' they're getting.

Oh my God.  Don't you find this just sickening? The colleges should have people doing as much recruiting as the military.  We should start giving away education so our poorest can have the same opportunity as the rich boys and girls. It makes me so angry that there is not more rich "cannon fodder".  It disgust me to think that our own president has so little military experience.  He can't even talk, how can he lead?

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Originally posted by Maryah Maryah wrote:

Mamas don�t....  Let your bables grow up to be Cowboys!

They might end up looking like the Tumbling Texas Tumbleweed!

I do love blue but since you used it I will have to opt for green.  I was waiting for someone to qote Waylon Jennings and the gang.

I would have like to read everyone's post but they are so long, I would be here all day. So I will just give my perspective.

There are wars that are just and wars that are not. Every war will have it's Cindy Sheehan or Jane Fonda.  Sometimes people just want to try and make a difference. She does have a right to do what she does and that's what makes this a free country. If we didn't have people like Cindy Sheehan then the people that we fight against would probably think that all Americans are strongly with their government and approve whole heartedly in this war and they do not. However some people either just need the attention or she needs to express her pain in this way. If the media walked away from that story it would be like it didn't exist. But media attention gives things a lot of value. Many mothers have lost sons and are satisfied with being proud that they died doing what they chose to do.

I am proud to say my dad served in WWII as a medic as he refused to carry a gun. I have yet to figure out why the medics didn't carry them but I guess they were suppose to be off limits.  My dad never spoke much about the war.  I know that it affected him deeply. He hurt inside and kept it inside and we know that is not a good thing.  My dad grew up believeing that men never cry or show emmotion.  I am very proud of my dad and his contribution to WWII.  He is no longer with me.  I also can not imagine what this world would be like if Hitler would have accomplished all he set out to accomplish.  He was a sick and demented man.  Thank God we have men who are willing to die for their county.  It is possible to support the soldiers without supporting this wicked war.

 

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Mamas don�t....  Let your bables grow up to be Cowboys!

They might end up looking like the Tumbling Texas Tumbleweed!

"Every good deed is charity whether you come to your brother's assistance or just greet him with a smile.
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Originally posted by Hanan Hanan wrote:

Thank you, Duende, I'll check out the bookstore and see if they have it.

Did you see the article on AlterNet http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/34122/ regarding this book.

There are some interesting remarks from average American citizens at the end of the article, in the �Comments� section. I find myself guilty, at times, for doubting the common sense of �the man on the street,� but then those type of comments give me hope again.

And here is a surprising bit of news.

Weapons of Mass Destruction Discovered Here: Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and North Dakota

8.2.2006 -- On August 6, 1945, the United States dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima. Three days later, the US dropped another atomic bomb on Nagasaki. These nuclear weapons killed over 100,000 people, almost all civilians, and injured many tens of thousands more.

Fr. Carl Kabat, 72, Greg Boertje-Obed, 51, and Michael Walli, 57, sit in jail in North Dakota awaiting a federal criminal trial because of weapons of mass destruction and because of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I visited them last week.

A friendly cab driver in Bismarck told me "If North Dakota seceded from the Union, we would be the world's third most-powerful nuclear state." TruthOut http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/080206B.shtml

 

Gee thanks for the history lesson. I don't think anyone knew that America dropped those bombs.

Get it through your heads that I don't support Bush or the Israeli's! Thank your lucky stars for America is here to stay!!!
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Originally posted by Hanan Hanan wrote:

By now thousands of United States of America soldiers and their families are on United States of America welfare! How shameful is THAT!

I become disgusted every time I see a �Support the Troops� ribbon, knowing that Americans DO NOT support their troops. These ribbons are a sham and merely an excuse to not have to do anything else.

Lounging on the couch with a Mega-Whopper and a Diet Coke on one's protruding stomach and watching soap operas, idiotic hollywood trash, pink-colored perfect-family flicks, admiring Bubya �Mission Accomplished� Bush on a battleship or US soldiers in Elvis-songs blasting Humvees shooting at civilian Iraqis' cars on Baghdad roads, does not constitute support for the troops.

 

Yep everyone I knew joined the military for the money. Anyways after your little private message to me, that I have yet to figure out why you sent it it, I really don't care about your opinion but I did want to point out one thing. That video you talking about was contractors who are NOT part of the military.

 

I become disgusted anytime a muslim sticks up for Hizbulla, Hamas or anyone of the several terrorists groups knowing you will never go join them in their fight. You post on a message board like you are doing something constructive and then you feel you never have to do anything else for the cause.

Get it through your heads that I don't support Bush or the Israeli's! Thank your lucky stars for America is here to stay!!!
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Hanan, I'm so glad you came to this forum! Another passionate voice
of reason.

Without reading through your whole post (later), I must quote
something here and now for you, since I am right on this page of the
absolutely brilliant book: Iraq The Logic of Withdrawal, by Anthony
Rove, where he speaks of the need to gain that critical mass of
opposition we've spoken about before. He also says;

"We must highlight the class aspects of this war. Who is fighting,
who is dying, who is sending troops to fight? Why are there billions
of dollars available for this war, yet schools are crumbling and forty-
five million people in the United States do not have any health
insurance, while tens of millions more have inadequate or only
partial coverage?"

He speaks about how the war in Iraq is not using up the US's 'finest'
(as GW Bush would have us believe) but more like the US's dregs who
have very little choice but to enlist in an army which promises them
food and shelter, education etc., and who are energetically recruited
from the places they frequent by officers who understand precisely
the kind of 'cannon fodder' they're getting.
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