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peacemaker
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Topic: For StephenC Posted: 19 October 2006 at 5:45am |
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The case of apostasy has already been discussed here. http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4107& ;KW=afghan+man&TPN=1 StephenC, stick to the topic and ask questions in the spirit of engaging in interfaith dialogue. If you are here to refute everything without any evidence as you did in this thread, it will simply not work, and that goes against guidelines. Even after 28 pages, you failed to come up with a response to the question raised in the very beginning of the thread. Instead, you keep jumping from one topic to the other. You will not be allowed to do this further. And yes, this is a warning!
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Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
Qur'an 55:13 |
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StephenC
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Posted: 19 October 2006 at 3:43am | |||
continued from above So is this another incident of where the Qu'ran and the supplemental books are contradictory?
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StephenC
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Posted: 19 October 2006 at 3:41am | |||
Was the quoted information wrong? (Book 38, Number 4341: Narrated Mu'adh ibn Jabal) I thought Mu'adh ibn Jabal was one of Muhammad's "companions." Should we ignore the writings of the "companions?" "Umar thereupon summoned five persons who had collected the Qur'an in the lifetime of the Prophet, peace be upon him. They were Mu'adh bin Jabal, Ubadah bin as-Samit, Abu Ayyub al-Ansari, Ubayy bin Kab and Abu al-Darda." And "When the noble Prophet reached Yathrib, Mu'adh bin Jabal stayed in his company as much as possible. He studied the Qur'an and the laws of Islam until he became one of the most well-versed of all the companions in the religion of Islam. " Wherever Mu'adh went, people would refer to him for legal judgments on matters over which they differed. This is not strange since he was brought up in the school of the Prophet himself and learnt as much as he could from him. He was the best pupil of the best teacher. His knowledge bore the stamp of authenticity. The best certificate that he could have received came from the Prophet himself when he said, "The most knowledgeable of my ummah [community] in matters of Halal [permitted, allowed, lawful or legal] and Haram [forbidden] is Mu'adh bin Jabal." http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4076& ;PN=1 |
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StephenC
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Posted: 19 October 2006 at 3:14am | |||
Thank you for your post, but what does the Bible have to do with this discussion? |
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Sign*Reader
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Posted: 18 October 2006 at 9:37pm | |||
OK let's examine the non Islamic Books' a troll might believe in According to bible, which man is an adulterer? �But I say unto you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, saving
for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever
shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery� (Matthew The divorce rate is 50% in western world so statistically what are the chances that you are not a biproduct of one of these conditions of genetic material's rendezvous. Not very good seeing the behavior you have shown. Have'nt you noticed that folks thumbing their noses on your menure. �But I say unto you, That
whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her
already in his heart� (Matthew
Do I need to say anything, do you see your face in this statement?
Very scientific
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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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Sign*Reader
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Posted: 18 October 2006 at 7:29pm | |||
There is no punishment for apostasy when Allah mentioned the subject in Quran so the answer unequivocally is No.
Treason or State secret all bets are off like Gadahn's case 3:100 O ye who believe! If ye listen to a faction among the People of the Book, they would (indeed) render you apostates after ye have believed! 47:25 Those who turn back as apostates after Guidance was clearly shown to them,- the Evil One has instigated them and busied them up with false hopes. 2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. 16:106 Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief,- except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty. You know there are millions of apostates running around in western controlled areas, and nobody is getting hauled in any court. |
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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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StephenC
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Posted: 18 October 2006 at 7:20pm | |||
Are Islamic punishments from God or man? If they are from man, then they are extreme and barbaric. If they are from God, then a true believer must self inflict the appropriate punishments on himself. Thus if you have ever stolen anything, you should cut off your own hand, If you have committed adultery than you should kill yourself. It does not matter if no one, but you and God know that you have committed the sin, since the punishment are from God and not man. God is more important than man! |
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StephenC
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Posted: 18 October 2006 at 6:04pm | |||
I quote the sources so that the readers will know that I did not make it up. Instead of personal attacks, why not respond to the issue? Does Islam (and/or did Muhammad) advocate death to those who embrace Islam and then abandon it? Simple question. Why the reluctance to answer? Does it or not? |
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