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    Posted: 01 February 2010 at 6:24pm
Respectfully,
There are surely many MANY more people that can have a wine with their food, or a beer with their friends and not become any sort of social mischief, than those who abuse alcohol.
But that having been said, there are surely physical and social ill effects of alcohol, and these are regrettable. That does not mean that those who can drink responsibly need to be punished for the crimes of a few, does it? Adults should make adult decisions with their privileges.

More to the point, I see the fine line between "don't" and "you had better watch out" in the Qur'anic verses leaning towards the latter.
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"that the haram or halalness of alcohol is unknown by modern muslims."

I think Brother, the correct statement should read like this

that the haram or halalness of alcohol is unknown by IGNORANT muslims.

The best person to ask whether alcohol is to be banned or not is to seek the advice of battered and abused wives and children who have husbands or fathers who became abusive when drunk.


Edited by Nur_Ilahi - 01 February 2010 at 4:46pm
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@Mockba, Mariyah: Is there such harm in considering a question? As far as I could see, the original poster had simply been wondering about a topic--why call him rude and say things like "must not be a Muslim" for doing so?
@Hannan: Entirely unnecessary. Again, why do we always have to judge other Muslims so harshly just because they don't immediately see eye to eye with us?

As for the original topic, I am still curious. Yes, the verse Mockba pointed out says "abstain..so you prosper" but that is very different from saying "though shalt not."

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Originally posted by MOCKBA MOCKBA wrote:

Bismillah

O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination - of Satan's handiwork; Eschew such (abomination) thet ye may prosper. Satan's plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah, and from prayer: will ye not then abstain? (al-Ma'idah, 90-91)

There can be nothing more rude than trying to challenge something that Allah, The Most Great and The Most Glorious, has made very clear in the Qur'an and through the example of the Last Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. 

This is the Book, in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah... (al-Baqara, 2)

So, fear Allah...!

Ameen brother Mockba. this person must not be a Muslim?
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interesting topic. im no islamic scholar but concur. with my limited knowledge of Islam, i know that even the slightest drop of alcohol is totally forbidden. ive heard some people say that if u drink alcohol u have to wait 40 days before u can perfom any salaah or even fast. in the 40 day period ur body will still be intoxicated thus u may not fast or perform salaah

is anyone else aware of this. please dont ask em for the authority as i dont know it. anyways thats waht i used to hear my granny tell my uncle, while i was still a little girl

also i recall that the local imam always reminds people during Jumah prayers that alcohol is forbidden. he even threatens that he will nto attend the funeral of known alcoholics nor will he perform janaza salaah for them. he hasnt yet acted on this threat though. but one can see how he really abhorrs the act of alcohol consumption by "muslims"
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Mockba:

Thank you.

Zubair H:

Yusuf Ali 93: On those who believe and do deeds of righteousness there is no blame for what they ate (in the past), when they guard themselves from evil, and believe, and do deeds of righteousness,- (or) again, guard themselves from evil and believe,- (or) again, guard themselves from evil and do good. For Allah loveth those who do good.

What do you think evil is according to the Quran?

Well, as far as anyone with some sound understanding can tell you, anything that goes against the will or command of Allah is an evil. Becasue that which goes against the command of Allah will have one ruin his akhirah, thus it will ultimately prove evil to the person.

Evil does not necessarily have to be murdering someone or being extreemly cruel to a stray dog, for example. One who is in disobedience with allah is actually being evil to his ownself. in fact the untrained nafs, or self/ego is related to as the evil commanding self.

Having considered that, just know the quran does not contradict on itself. There are no discrepencies in it. Therfore, the verse you have sited cannot contradict the verse Mockba has sited. There is clear prohibition for intoxication in Quran, therefore, taking it as long as you dont comit criminal evil acts is not a very good construction of the message of the Holy Quran.

You are actually saying one can consume alcohol as long as s/he is not acting evilly. However the concept in Islam is that if you disobey any command of the Quran you have acted evilly.

Therfore one can eat only of the halal things, and must not act evilly against his own self (the nafs), by way of acting disobediently against the commands of Allah.

 
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Zubair: I have been researching this topic for some time now.

Are you an alcoholic who�s been looking for justification for his drinking problem, or why are you so interested in making alcohol consumption �all right?� Has the following ever happened to you: You got into your car and found that someone had stolen the dashboard, the steering wheel, the brake pedal, and even the accelerator. And just when you�re about to call the police you realized that you had climbed in the back seat by mistake?

I have come to the temporary conclusion temporary, does that mean you�re 99% sure? The reason I�m asking is because I�ve seen several other posts in which you were 99% sure. In other words, you don't have 100% knowledge, but we should take your 99% word for it, right? that the haram or halalness of alcohol is unknown by modern muslims.

It is not known wether alcohol is haram or not. Shouldn�t it read: �I don�t known whether alcohol is haram or not,� unless, of course, you are an Islamic scholar or some other educated person in which case you must provide us with proof that �It is not known wether alcohol is haram or not.�

Although I can tell you, it is not a big crime whatsoever. You only say that because you never got punished for driving drunk, doing a balancing act on Hotel balconies, vomiting on someone�s living room carpet, right?

Perhaps as big a crime as eating a a bigmac at mcdonalds because your really hungry, although you are not deathly starving, or ill. And I was just about to ask again if you are a scholar of some kind, but that�s not necessary after reading your last sentence.
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Bismillah

O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination - of Satan's handiwork; Eschew such (abomination) thet ye may prosper. Satan's plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah, and from prayer: will ye not then abstain? (al-Ma'idah, 90-91)

There can be nothing more rude than trying to challenge something that Allah, The Most Great and The Most Glorious, has made very clear in the Qur'an and through the example of the Last Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. 

This is the Book, in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah... (al-Baqara, 2)

So, fear Allah...!
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