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    Posted: 19 October 2006 at 3:36pm

I don't mean to interrupt, AK_m_f, but please allow me to respond as well.

 

EJDavid wrote:
Protected from what?

 

For one thing, as I perhaps imperfectly recall the historians Edward Gibbon and Will Durant as having said -and as it relates in this case specifically to Christians- some of the dhimmis were at times protected from each other.  Consider, for example, the conflicts (doctrinal maelstroms) which, early on, raged between the Trinitarians and the monophysites and which, by the time of the Islamic Advent and the rise of Muhammad, had involved regions from Abyssinia upwards and outwards into Syria Euphoratensis -regions, by the way, much in contact with, and at times later subjugated to, Islam.  There were, in other and fewer words, some warring Christian factions which quite readily accepted the Pax Islamica, paid the jizya and thereafter enjoyed the relative peace, far, far from home (and Rome) and no longer (presumably) paying Peter's Pence.

 

I would provide a more specific reference and quotations but my books, alas, are off in storage and I am made to rely upon what sometimes proves an increasingly faulty memory.  Therefore, unless and until I can provide more concrete references and direct quotes from said historians, this post should be either taken or left on face value alone .

 

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ak - You wrote: "Dhimmis were allowed to practice their religion & were protected by the state..." Protected from what?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ak_m_f Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 October 2006 at 2:16pm
Originally posted by ejdavid ejdavid wrote:

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Dalits and Dhimmis? Me thinks two sides of the same coin?




Dhimmis were allowed to practice their religion & were protected by the state, they were free in their choice of residence and profession
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ak

Dalits and Dhimmis? Me thinks two sides of the same coin?


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ak_m_f Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 October 2006 at 1:49pm
Originally posted by ejdavid ejdavid wrote:

semar - You provided: "The Prophet said: "Do not eat before you are hungry, and stop eating before you are full" "1/3 of your stomach for food 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air."

I believe jihadists are gulping too much air, and it has given them indigestion. Perhaps that explains their general state of dispepsia?


Looks like that your head is full of air too.
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semar - You provided: "The Prophet said: "Do not eat before you are hungry, and stop eating before you are full" "1/3 of your stomach for food 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air."

I believe jihadists are gulping too much air, and it has given them indigestion. Perhaps that explains their general state of dispepsia?
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Q1:  You assume they are using the Quran to convince them.  It is a common mistake.  In reality, terrorists are primarily motivated by political causes. Please see this report : http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=3749

 

Q2: Just because you haven't seen it does not mean that Muslims are not broadcasting everyday the true meaning of Islam and our rejection of terrorism. 

 

 

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1st Answer: An educated persons is not always "smart", so sometimes they fail to distinct between right or wrong.

2nd Answer: The media not always has interest to expose the voice from "the silent majority". This kind of news can not improve their rating, so business wise is not very compelling. So that's why we don't know because this the main source of our info is come from commercial media.

Salam/Peace,

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"We are people who do not eat until we are hungry and do not eat to our fill." (Prophet Muhammad PBUH)

"1/3 of your stomach for food, 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air"
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