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Alwardah
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Posted: 07 April 2007 at 11:48am |
As Salamu Alaikum Brother Rami, Alhamdulillah! We do agree on something. I dont apretiate how quickly you moved from a ruling by the madhhabs to endorsing a so called salafi ruling, you could have simply said this particular shaykh must be wrong rather than all three madhhabs and thus further investigated the matter. Brother the only reason why I used the term salafi was because this whole thread was about the extreme views of these scholars. Personally I take Fatawa from any scholar who can prove his point using the Glorious Qur'an or Sunnah or other renowned scholars. I don�t follow any particular Madhhab. Jazakallahu Khairan for the Nasiha brother. Wa Alaikum Salam |
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rami
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assalamu alaikum sister the wording of the fatwah is a bit of i agree with you, but that is not what is intended, if you read it carefully the example he gives is of a mother nursing. Further more this also covers the occasion of a women seeing a doctor in which case she may at times need to uncover herself, it would not be permissible in cases of non muslim doctors etc etc as the fatwah states. I dont apretiate how quickly you moved from a ruling by the madhhabs to endorsing a so called salafi ruling, you could have simply said this particular shaykh must be wrong rather than all three madhhabs and thus further investigated the matter. You are not above any mujtahid Imam to easily make such claims nor is any so called salafi shaykh you could quote from as none have ever reached the level of mujtahid to be capable making Ijtihad ie rulings not in conformaty with the madhhabs. You are free to follow whom ever you like sister, this is just common sense and nasiha. Edited by rami |
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Alwardah
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As Salamu Alaikum According to this fatwa I can socialise and move around trusted women with the upper part of my body showing, completely uncovered, as nakedness is between the navel and knee, and all I need is to trust the women I am with.
Common sense tells me something is wrong with this fatwa. So where is Haya and modesty? When mothers nurse their young only one breast is uncovered and many women either use a small hand towel or something to cover her breast.
Thanks brother Rami for this enlightening fatwa. Regarding this issue, I would definitely opt for a fatwa of a salafi scholar.
May Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala forgive us our shortcomings and protect us from our own whims and desires. Ameen!
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herjihad
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Bismillah and Salaams, I think you should be banned, personally. I was not scholar bashing. That man was attacking our Muslim sisters and to this date all the people who stood up for Muslim Women's Honor have been banned by the moderators! How outrageous! Y'all said you thought you were doing me a favor. You didn't; you haven't, and I don't think I'd be wise to look for one from any of you. I'm just your Muslim sister defending the dignity of women and the rules as set out by our Holy Quran. Some people are turning over in their graves to know what that man wrote! |
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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fatima
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Bismillah irrahman irrahim Assalamu alaykum [QUOTE=herjihad Bismillah and Salaams, So you banned me? How uncool!!! And kiddo, when you want to do a favor for someone, especially someone who you respect and care about their feelings and reactions to your actions, it is always a great idea to check and see how they feel about your favor first. Because causing someone to disappear is sort of a bigbrother type of thing that doesn't seem cool or copacetic or filled with anything nice to me. And being as the post I was unjustly and foolishly banned for was right here in this topic, it is relevant. Salaams Sister caring for some1 does not mean not caring for rules any more regarding that person. It is clearly stated in the rules that scholar bashing is not allowed. In past few months rules were broken left, right and centre and something had to be done about it. Suspension was brought up so every1 is clear about how many chances have they got left. There is no favour specially for you, if the suspension does not require an open anouncement, we would not do that in future as well. I tried to explain why it was done for you, you making it open is your own choice and in future that choice is open to other suspended members too. The moderator team is told that once a fair discussion about any matter is finished among ourselves and decision is made. We dont need to explain the decision to any1 but i have chosen to explain it to have better relations with members not as a favour. wassalam Edited by fatima |
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rami
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wa alaikum assalam Brother Rami, are you quietly agreeing with me? It seems so. Go ahead; say it louder now. JAK. which part am i agreeing to and do i have to sign anything Disagreement on belly dancing Answered by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani Some one asked in the hanfi section about one belly dancing to one's spuse in private was haram, the answer was it is haram because it is imitation of people who enjoy haram socialization. I beg to differ from my understanding I have heared and read from more than one source that the orign of belly dancing was to help women in birth delevry as it helps to strengthen certain muscles of body. My question is that some people have adopted belly dancing for haram purposes has made belly dancing a haram action? is it fair to tell women who have practiced bell dancing to help with their birth because some immoral people have used it for wrong? Walaikum assalam wa rahmatullah, I pray that this finds you well, and in the best of health and spirits. May Allah grant you all good and success in this life and the next. What is considered in the Shariah is the general case. In the case of belly dancing, the general case is that it is from the ways of the corrupt and immoral. If someone did it (a) in private; (b) for helping with their birth delivery (or such reasons); (c) without copying the lewdness of those corrupt; and (d) without haram music, then it would be permissible in such a manner. And Allah alone gives success. Faraz Rabbani Previous answer: |
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herjihad
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Bismillah and Salaams, Dear Sister, thanks for this! I agree wholeheartedly. Please continue to share stories with us from Pakistan. |
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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herjihad
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Bismillah and Salaams, Brother Rami, are you quietly agreeing with me? It seems so. Go ahead; say it louder now. JAK. |
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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