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    Posted: 10 July 2007 at 10:53am

Assalamu Alaikum,

Many posters replied well, Masha Allah, to the query of Jennifer2003, the topic starter.  It is quite evident without any doubt that Islam forbids killing of innocent people and civilians�Muslim or non-Muslim--in all circumstances.

YUSUFALI: On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.


PICKTHAL: For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth.


SHAKIR: For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our messengers came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.

Qur�an 5 : 32

There is no room for any confusion in the above verse.

There is no point to attach political turmoil to the noble spirit of Islam. The message of Islam, in essence, is peace and submission to Allah. It is this message that inspires and guides most of the Muslims to live in peace.

Some people, belonging to different faiths including Islam, commit crimes. As soon as a person, who claims to be Muslim, commits a crime, Islam goes on trial right away, but it doesn�t normally happen with other religions. That is why when Iraq and Afghanistan, for example, are illegally invaded and occupied by non-Muslims, the religion of the invaders is not mentioned. So, the main stream media gives the impression to general masses that trouble is only with Islam and Muslims�nowhere else. That is absolutely wrong.

I wish that no religion becomes a target of hate in any manner, and criminals/terrorists, and terrorism in all its forms, is punished.

Another thing is that one should learn Islam by learning Qur�an in the light of the life of Prophet Muhammad ( peace be upon him ) who showed Islam in practical terms. Seeing the life of Muslims may not give one a true idea of what Islam stands for. It is because Muslims may not truly reflect what the Prophet Muhammad showed us. And learning Islam, from those who claim to be Muslim but commit heinous crimes, can never be the right way to learn or judge Islam. Similarly, learning Islam from anti-Islam sources/web sites also cannot be the right way to seek the true message of Islam.

May Allah shower His mercy on the entire humanity.

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Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 July 2007 at 7:50am
I agree.  The estimates generally claim 1-3% violent ones, and a percentage of the non-violent ones who donate to their cause.  The resulting number can cause a lot of trouble.  I agree that the majority are great, good people.  I met thousands over 40 years and have not met one I did not like.  That is why the hostility I am finding in the Qur'an bothers me.  I wish Islam could clean its house.

www.bahraindubai.info/Islam2.html  will get you to that page directly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 July 2007 at 7:32am
VicS

Out of some 1.4 billion Muslims there must be a few who you would like...

Not all are interested in becoming Scholars especially with some 6,000 verses and 600,000 ahadith.

Most people keep their heads down, do their prayers whatever and wait for Paradise I should imagine. And with no central Authority there are Imams who would give one what one would like to hear... virtual Tower of Babel! [Is it any different in Christianity? Except there is not the violence that is engendered in the Quran in the Teachings of the New Testament - btw I am not a Christian.. although born one].

It is a fringe that gets into extremes.

Not a techie..how does one access Islam2.html page?




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 July 2007 at 5:39am
Look on my Web site for the verses on the second Islam page.

I met many Muslims who I really liked, so I would like to find it peaceful, but in my investigation I had some negative surprises.  And as you can see, my questions here are unanswered as yet.  Islam has a tough problem to solve I think.  I think it is unfortunate.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 July 2007 at 3:02am
Thanks for your input VicS.

However I wish to have some definitive answers from Believers.

We are told that the Quran is easy to understand.

Perhaps you can reference some definitive article/fatwa whatever that deals with my query as you appear to have been involved with these questions for some time.

Why would you 'like it to come out peaceful'.. Is that  being Objective? Impartial? Open-minded?... All Is As Is.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 July 2007 at 2:49pm
Kahahn, the Qur'an is Allah's (God's) word to Muslims.  Muslims must follow it all even today.  Interpretation is difficult.  Look at how I do it on my Islam pages at the site I referenced above using three translators.  The one I should be adding is Asad.  He is a former Jew scholar who converted to Islam and became an Islamic Scholar, and his translations are less Biblical in style than the others.  I just ordered his Qur'an translation because I want to have his comments and explanations also.

I am really struggling with my question about Islam being peaceful or not.  I would like it to come out peaceful, but don't know yet.  I want Qur'anic evidence to prove it peaceful, simply because I am not at home enough in Sunnah or Islamic law.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 July 2007 at 12:51pm
Originally posted by Arab Arab wrote:

people whenever someone quotes the quran and says look this is promoting violence just read the context and ull see it doesnt.


Thanks for responding to my post.

I have downloaded the full Chapter 9:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ABewley/tawba1.html

I have tried to understand context/background with Maududi's Introduction to the Surah:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau9.html#S9

I have then looked at the lectures of the Ayotollah [the url posted in my original msg].

There are messages of 'peace'  throughout the Quran but they are contradictory. And there are some 6000 verses in the Quran. So we are advised to go to Scholars and get an authoritative opinion.

All I am wanting to find out whether the verses I have posted above stand by themselves or was it just given for that period in time?

We are informed that Muslims believe that the Quran is the Word of God and valid for all time.

So when and where are the relevant verses especially 9:29 operative?
[Are they dormant while Muslims are in a minority? Or do some get carried away when letting off bombs in Western cities whatever?]

Is this verse used when non-Muslims are attacked in predominantly Muslim countries?

Is it incumbent on Muslims to 'bring' non-Muslims into the fold wherever they 'can'.

Can you refer me to some Authoritative opinion/s of Scholars? As I have taken the lectures of a Shia and they may not be acceptable to the the Sunni majority.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 July 2007 at 9:46am
Arab, in that case I need your help and unfortunately it would take time for you.  I used to think that Islam is a religion of peaceful.  I would like to believe that, but I found otherwise.  For the past ten years we have seen terrorist attacks against the US and other non-Muslim countries by Muslims.  100% Muslims.  Yet the one and a half billion Muslims in the world did nothing to stop such people.  That prompted me to investigate, and the results you will see at a Web site www.bahraindubai.info Islam page. 

I am interested only in Qur'anic references to show that Islam is peaceful to unbelievers.

Please believe me that I am very sorry about this, because I thought that I had several very good Muslim friends.  Now I find that they cannot be my friend, but they could say that they are.  I even spoke to Imams.  If you could help me change, I would be very happy and grateful to you or anyone who can help with Qur'an facts.

Thanks and best wishes,

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