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    Posted: 26 October 2008 at 11:48am
 Are you saying that what is written in the scriptures is a lie? Do you have witnesses to substantiate this absurd claim?
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Yes that is how I understand it walk2liv.  To fufill GOD's plan Jesus blood washed away our sins as it was shed.
 
It can when the heart is pierced.  When a baby dies that might have a congenital anomaly, blood is collected from the heart using a needle and syringe.  The blood flows freely into the syringe.  Blood does not clot immediately after death.
 
Jesus could have suffered from internal bleeding, fluid collected in His lungs, the pierce went through His lung into His heart, etc.
 
 
John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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 If Jesus was dead then blood and water should not gush out from the body. A dead man's heart stops pumping the blood. There is no circulation of blood in the body. So by cutting or pearcing anywhere, the blood does not gush out.
 
 But in the case of a man who is alive, it will happen like that. Just food for thought !
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Originally posted by minuteman minuteman wrote:

 
 Believer, do you believe that pearcing with a spear caused the death of Jesus. I ask because it is being mentioned again and again. I do not believe it to be so.
 
 Please tell me if the spear had anything hand in causing the death of Jesus? Welcome.


As far as I know, Jesus was dead before he was pierced by the spear. They just wanted to be doubly sure
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Originally posted by mariyah mariyah wrote:

Believer, you will have to bring forward your witnesses.
So were you there when constantine and his cronies rewrote the Scriptures and gave Jesus  (pbuh) the "divine status" that was so common in the Roman pagan practices and beliefs? (third century common era council of nicea) and have you read Exodus 20, that states God is one God and you shall not bow to any other or make gods before him?
Jesus will return, and he and the Madhi (pbuh) will be the witnesses to the commencement of the Last Day, the Day of judgement.
Jesus indeed lives, but not as you think.


I think you've watched 'The Da Vinci Code' one too many times and took it as fact. <3
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Originally posted by thomasd thomasd wrote:

Originally posted by robin robin wrote:

Constantine etc. did not rewrite the scriptures, they add some wrong ideas etc. which have been found and removed!  See the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures
 
True the church do follow pagan ideas that is because they do not understand or believe the scriptures they on such matters, but what they do does not alter the Bible in any way!


It's also because the original Christian missionaries to the Germanic and Celtic tribes made a huge effort to bridge the cultural gap and spread God's word. to do this, they repurposed many pagan festivals into Christian ones, the side effect of this being that various pagan traditions carried over into the celebration of Christian holidays, and then after Rome was sacked, the Irish became the missionaries and carried these traditions back into the rest of Europe. However to say that they rewrote scripture shows a lack of knowledge of European history. the Irish monks were some of the most meticulous scribes in history, and took immense pride in their work. Anyone who doubts this should spend some time reading about the Lindisfarne gospels.
 
You point out well that the church took on board Demonic pagan worship and rituals etc. and used them in worship of the god of the Bible of which the Bible says:-
 
1 Corinthians 10:20-22
... I say that the things which the nations sacrifice they sacrifice to demons, and not to God; and I do not want YOU to become sharers with the demons. 21 YOU cannot be drinking the cup of Jehovah and the cup of demons; YOU cannot be partaking of "the table of Jehovah" and the table of demons. 22 Or "are we inciting Jehovah to jealousy"? We are not stronger than he is, are we?
 
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Isaiah 5:20-21
Woe to those who are saying that good is bad and bad is good, those who are putting darkness for light and light for darkness, those who are putting bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! 21 Woe to those wise in their own eyes and discreet even in front of their own faces!
 
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1 Timothy 4:1-2
However, the inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons, 2 by the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, . . .
 
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2 Thessalonians 2:3, 8-12
Let no one seduce YOU in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.
8  . . .Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence. 9 But the lawless one�s presence is according to the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and portents 10 and with every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth that they might be saved. 11 So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.
 
thus it becomes Devil Worship!
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 Believer, do you believe that pearcing with a spear caused the death of Jesus. I ask because it is being mentioned again and again. I do not believe it to be so.
 
 Please tell me if the spear had anything hand in causing the death of Jesus? Welcome.
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http://www.new-life.net/crucify2.htm

To confirm that a victim was dead, the Romans inflicted a spear wound through the right side of the heart. When pierced, a sudden flow of blood and water came from Jesus' body . The medical significance of the blood and water has been a matter of debate. One theory states that Jesus died of a massive myocardial infarction, in which the heart ruptured (Bergsma) which may have resulted from His falling while carrying the cross (Ball). Another theory states that Jesus' heart was surrounded by fluid in the pericardium, which constricted the heart and caused death (Davis). The physical stresses of crucifixion may have produced a fatal cardiac arrhythmia (Johnson).

The stated order of "blood and water" may not necessarily indicate the order of appearance, but rather the relative prominence of each fluid. In this case, a spear through the right side of the heart would allow the pleural fluid (fluid built up in the lungs) to escape first, followed by a flow of blood from the wall of the right ventricle (Edwards). The important fact is that the medical evidence supports that Jesus did die a physical death.

 
The Gospel tells us that blood and water came forth from the wound. The doctors tell us that the lance in all probability pierced our Lord's right lung and then His heart, and the water which came forth was fluid from the lungs and heart. The accumulation of this fluid is normal in cases of heart failure and extreme blood loss. The lance thrust alone would have been fatal.
John 3
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