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peacemaker 
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 Topic: To aka2X2 and Rami...contPosted: 23 July 2007 at 10:49am |
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Assalamu Alaikum and hi everyone, E.S., please ask questions and you will get response, insha Allah ( God willing ). It is important that we comply with guidelines: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4589& ; ; ;PN=1 http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7684& ; ; ;PN=1 Peace |
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Hayfa
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I lived in You can have a Bible just not proselytize. I went to msot bookstores and did not find Mein Kamph... that is not to say it is not there.. but the isolated place does not say it is everywhere. Just like not all people who are Catholic and go overseas to do "good works" is out to convert people. There is a huge variety of people. You are talking about a region that goes from West Africa to Indonesia..
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�Why is it a major task to get your hands on a Bible in Muslim dominated countries yet it's quite readly available to purchase Mein Kampf in practically any book shop?� E.S., you are off base on this one. You should have checked your facts better. The Quran commands Muslims to honor the Prophets who came before Mohammad (pbuh) and to respect the Books revealed before the Quran. Copies of Bible have always been available in Muslim countries (perhaps with the exception of CIA created Taliban). I have personally seen it for sale in bookstores. And, I have seen thriving churches in Muslim countries as well. I think what you meant to say was that proselytizing is illegal in most Muslim countries. I understand some Christians feel this is a religious mandate for them. Islam does not have a similar requirement so the idea is foreign to us. However, third world people have had bad experiences with this practice. Many peoples have been wiped out �to save their souls�. I hope you forgive us if we keep proselytizing illegal in order to save our own skins. I should also point out that, personally, I never knew Hitler had ever written a book, let alone it was called Mein Kampf, until I immigrated to the West. |
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Jamal has replied to the question of E.S. Before that Sign*Reader has also denied having said anything about forceful conversion. There was no need for E.S. to have raised that issue of forceful conversions. Jamal has truly replied to the non-availability of bibles in Muslim countries.There is no such case unless it be in war torn countries like Iraq and Afghanistan. E.S. please do not give example of those places. Indicate which country you mean. Jamal has refuted your claim and I also do it so much that bible is available every where to every one here. The christians even come to our houses with the bible to preach to us in a Muslim country. We serve them with tea and biscuits. Some of them are RC. Other protestants. Some are the Jehovas witnesses (JW). But the JW's do not take any tea at our home. I do not know why. So E.S. Your this question is settled that it is a misinformation with you. Please bring your next point. Thanks. ( And may I say that I have never seen any Mein Kampf in my locality. Away with Hitler please. he is not here.) |
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Posted: 23 July 2007 at 5:08am |
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Jamal has replied to the question of E.S. Before that Sign*Reader has also denied having said anything about forceful conversion. There was no need for E.S. to have raised that issue of forceful conversions. Jamal has truly replied to the non-availability of bibles in Muslim countries.There is no such case unless it be in war torn countries like Iraq and Afghanistan. E.S. please do not give example of those places. Indicate which country you mean. Jamal has refuted your claim and I also do it so much that bible is available every where to every one here. The christians even come to our houses with the bible to preach to us in a Muslim country. We serve them with tea and biscuits. Some of them are RC. Other protestants. Some are the Jehovas witnesses (JW). But the JW's do not take any tea at our home. I do not know why. So E.S. Your this question is settled that it is a misinformation with you. Please bring your next point. Thanks. ( And may I say that I have never seen any Mein Kampf in my locality. Away with Hitler please. he is not here.)
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"Why is it a major task to get your hands on a Bible in Muslim
dominated countries yet it's quite readly available to purchase Mein Kampf in practically any book shop? " A couple of my pals, Christian missionary neighbors, here in Fes (in Morocco, a Muslim country) have just given birth to their second child - with a Christian baptism and circumcision by a Muslim doctor. For their just-reading-now daughter, not only can they get their hands on new bibles (in Arabic and French), there is a giant cathedral/school complex down the street from a neighbor mosque. There are Christian Moroccans, and they are living openly with the rest of us Muslims and (minority of) Jews. In addition, my friends are key players in the development of the Village of Hope around the mountain city of Azrou - the Village of Hope is an Christian orphanage which raises, educates and finds work for the lost or abandoned Moroccan children. While they can not aggressively proselytize to the existing Muslim community, they are free to live their lives in Christ and raise their kids and the orphans as Christian. The Village of Hope projects can be found online; they are not hiding there mission and Muslim Morocco apparently accepts that. For the sake of your question, I will keep my eyes open for Mein Kampf, however. I have never seen it in any bookstore here, in any city, ever. |
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Ok my friend read the following quote from New Testamnet's Galatians 23One, the child of the slave, was born according to the flesh; the other, the child of the free woman, was born through the promise. 24Now this is an allegory: these women are two covenants. One woman, in fact, is Hagar, from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the other woman corresponds to the Jerusalem above; she is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written, �Rejoice, you childless one, you who bear no children, burst into song and shout, you who endure no birth pangs; for the children of the desolate woman are more numerous than the children of the one who is married.� 28Now you,* my friends, are children of the promise, like Isaac. 29But just as at that time the child who was born according to the flesh persecuted the child who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also. 30But what does the scripture say? �Drive out the slave and her child; for the child of the slave will not share the inheritance with the child of the free woman.� 31So then, friends, * we are children, not of the slave but of the free woman. Could you explain the above statements by Paul? I would like to answer your other questions but I need to know what country are you in for the proper perspective. Please don't put words in my mouth--- where did say that I suggested a forceful conversions? Islam is not a religion which ever preaches forced conversions, that is Christian/ Catholic heritage, remember the Spanish inquisition! Edited by Sign*Reader |
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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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My plan was not to come out and attack Islam in any sense. That is want I
stated and that is my goal till I decide to end my sessions here yet it wont be any time soon because I do find this fruitfull for myself and I hope for you and others. If you felt any "attack" caused on my end that was simply to counter Sign Reader's attack on my Catholic faith and the fact that he doesn't mind the practice of forcefull conversions in his latest of statements. I did not hear anybody stand against his comments. Also making outrageous claims that St. Paul is an Arab hater isn't quite to my liking especially when claims like this are not followed by sources. I'll be the better man and move on and deal with more important issues. The question I brought up that I needed an answer for was the following: Why is it a major task to get your hands on a Bible in Muslim dominated countries yet it's quite readly available to purchase Mein Kampf in practically any book shop? I like it to be stated here that I do not support any wars any where including Iraq and Afghanistan. These are not "Crusades" as many Muslims believe it to be but purely based on exploiting these countries for natural resources and political counter balance acts against local powers such as Iran and even Russia. These are not Christian acts because it goes against any Christian teaching. I hope there are some folks here who have read the Bible, even if there main purpose of reading it was to "attack" or "question" that's fine. But I'm sure those who have read it can justly and truthfully say they have found no such violent teachings. We can automatically throw that out the window firstly because it has no basis, and second because it doesnt belong on this thread. I wouldnt mind discuss it it just confuses the readers here on what was the main aim of the thread and where it ends. All these should be met one at a time. Minuteman thanks for setting us on the right track. |
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