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Shasta'sAunt 
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 Posted: 17 April 2008 at 2:22am |
How can Jesus be 100% God, yet feel the pain of being separated from God?
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Servetus
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Posted: 17 April 2008 at 4:18pm |
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Honeto wrote: Hi Serv, the only reason I brought this subject up was due to the fact that many followers of the Bible portray themselves and the message of their book as peace and love and justice, something that I don't find in the quotes I mentioned. They are quite contradictory in nature to what is superficially portrayed. It�s nice to meet you, Hasan (Honeto). I understood your original point and I think it was well, in fact excellently, made. Parts of my post, in response, were written with my tongue in my cheek and I probably should have said so. The disciples of the aspiring if, in my opinion, myopic theologian-cum-historian Robert Spencer like to get their antennae in a twist over the Quran allowing, in certain and I am told rather specific instances, exactly that which the righteous Judah and his men did to Adoni-bezec. Except that It is because such instances of ruthlessness might appeal to Muslims and incite them to violence that I, not seriously because I don't think they are in the main given to violence, suggested that they not read some of the especially martial Biblical books (named above) without first taking a mild sedative. I also said to take my advice for what it is worth which in this case is absolutely nothing. Best regards, Serv |
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Shasta'sAunt
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Posted: 17 April 2008 at 5:25pm |
I am curious as to why man needs Jesus. Before Jesus man prayed directly to God, received messages from God, and was forgiven by God.
It seems that what you believe is that God could no longer forgive man so Jesus was sent to smooth this over. If this is the case then it would seem that God needed Jesus, not man. Edited by Shasta'sAunt - 17 April 2008 at 5:25pm |
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Ron Webb
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Posted: 17 April 2008 at 7:31pm |
My interpretation is that God's original deal with man, that we need to avoid sin as much as possible and to make animal sacrifices to atone for those sins that we cannot avoid, turned out to be too hard for mortals. We just sin too much and were running out of animals. So God said, "Okay, let's try it this way: I'll make one sacrifice, the ultimate sacrifice, on your behalf, and that will cover all of you from now on. All you have to do is buy into this deal by accepting Jesus as your Saviour."
What I've never understood is, who is making up these rules that God has to follow? Who demanded that Jesus or anybody else had to die for my sins? Why couldn't God simply have said, "Okay, I guess I was too tough on you guys. You're even weaker and more pathetic than I thought. Look, just do the best you can, remember Who made you and try not to try not to be an embarrassment to Me."
Or how about just grading us all on a curve and flunking the lowest ten percent?
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Posted: 17 April 2008 at 11:29pm |
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"My interpretation is that God's original deal with man, that we need to avoid sin as much as possible and to make animal sacrifices to atone for those sins that we cannot avoid, turned out to be too hard for mortals. We just sin too much and were running out of animals. So God said, "Okay, let's try it this way: I'll make one sacrifice, the ultimate sacrifice, on your behalf, and that will cover all of you from now on. All you have to do is buy into this deal by accepting Jesus as your Saviour."
What I've never understood is, who is making up these rules that God has to follow? Who demanded that Jesus or anybody else had to die for my sins? Why couldn't God simply have said, "Okay, I guess I was too tough on you guys. You're even weaker and more pathetic than I thought. Look, just do the best you can, remember Who made you and try not to try not to be an embarrassment to Me."
Or how about just grading us all on a curve and flunking the lowest ten percent?
"Even if this were the case, it still appears that God needed the blood sacrifice in order to offer man forgiveness, not the other way around. I don't remember any covenants in the OT in which man asks God for a sacrificial human so that mankind's sins could be erased. In fact, in the OT God ordered that there be no more human sacrifice.
God created us and knows us better than we know ourselves. God is also omniscient, so He would have known that man would sin and to what extent. It couldn't have been a surprise. Even Christians believe that the coming of Jesus was foretold in early prophesy, so apparently God knew it would happen.
Of course, this raises even more questions.
Since we were not of the generation of original man, how could any deal made be binding upon us? Isn't God Just and Fair?
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Posted: 18 April 2008 at 5:28am |
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Honeto not sure what you are asking here: " whoes followers were Mary and Jesus (pbuh) as well??" No this is what I have always believed of the Old Testment.
Shasta'saunt-Remember that Jesus is the cup of water taken from the larger body of water
Ron said- "What I've never understood is, who is making up these rules that God has to follow?" GOD "Who demanded that Jesus or anybody else had to die for my sins?" GOD
My understanding is that GOD is just and something has to pay the debt of sin. We have been told the wages of sin is death. In the past it was the sacrificial lamb. Was it GOD's plan to prepare for the last and final Sacrificial Lamb?
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John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
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Posted: 19 April 2008 at 4:32am |
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"My understanding is that GOD is just and something has to pay the debt of sin. We have been told the wages of sin is death. In the past it was the sacrificial lamb. Was it GOD's plan to prepare for the last and final Sacrificial Lamb?"
If God is just, then why would someone else have to pay for my sins? There is no justice in that. If I sin, I should pay.
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Posted: 19 April 2008 at 3:16pm |
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Then we will all be in hell- away from GOD. |
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16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
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