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Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:

I can't imagine being unfriendly to my parents, and having them regard that as kindness; but in the interest of brevity let's concentrate on this:
 
Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt Shasta'sAunt wrote:

Allah does not make us believe or disbelieve, He wills that we have the freedom to do so on our own.
 
If "Allah makes whom He pleases err and He guides whom He pleases," how is that different from making us believe or disbelieve? How could our own wills possibly prevail over Allah's?
 
I will say unto you like Israfil before you, I have my beliefs, you have yours.
 
"2:286 On no soul doth Allah Place a burden greater than it can bear. It gets every good that it earns, and it suffers every ill that it earns. (Pray:) "Our Lord! Condemn us not if we forget or fall into error; our Lord! Lay not on us a burden Like that which Thou didst lay on those before us; Our Lord! Lay not on us a burden greater than we have strength to bear. Blot out our sins, and grant us forgiveness. Have mercy on us. Thou art our Protector; Help us against those who stand against faith."


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�No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.�
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Originally posted by honeto honeto wrote:

Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

John 13:34 

 34A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Hi believer,

no doubt that God's love and Mercy never ceases, and the message He gave to mankind always have that component in it.

Your quote certainly refelects that thought, however what puzzles me is this quote in Matthew 10:

34 �Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to �set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law�; 36 and �a man�s enemies will be those of his own household.�[e]

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The "SWORD" Jesus was talking about is:-
 
Ephesians 6:17
the sword of the spirit, that is, God�s word,
 
 
Isaiah 49:1-2 [ prophecy about Jesus]-
Listen to me, O YOU islands, and pay attention, YOU national groups far away. Jehovah himself has called me even from the belly. From the inward parts of my mother he has made mention of my name. 2 And he proceeded to make my mouth like a sharp sword. . . . [The words of God]
 
 
 
 
Hebrews 4:12-13
For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints and [their] marrow, and [is] able to discern thoughts and intentions of [the] heart. 13 And there is not a creation that is not manifest to his sight, but all things are naked and openly exposed to the eyes of him with whom we have an accounting.
 
Jesus was speaking about spiritual warfare against Satanic words, ideas, etc. and destroying Satanic thinking with the words of the one God.
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Ephesians 6

2"Honor your father and mother"�which is the first commandment with a promise�
It is one of the commandments Shasta
John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Robin,
thanks for explaining that verse with another one that does clear that the sword or shields are your belief and faith in it with which you defend yourself agaisnt Satan. That's how we in Islam believe as well.
I see however that Matthew 10:34 refers to sword raised agaist your, brother, mother, father, daughter and so on, while in Ephesian the "sword" is to be raised agaisnt the Satan. Ephesians 6:10Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
So I am still puzzled about Matthew 10:34,  not bringing peace, but a sword to raise son agaisnt his father, mother agaisnt daughter and so on, which is opposite to what Evangelists here in the US portray of Jesus as "Prince of Peace".
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Edited by honeto - 21 May 2008 at 9:22am
The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Originally posted by honeto honeto wrote:

Robin,
thanks for explaining that verse with another one that does clear that the sword or shields are your belief and faith in it with which you defend yourself agaisnt Satan. That's how we in Islam believe as well.
I see however that Matthew 10:34 refers to sword raised agaist your, brother, mother, father, daughter and so on, while in Ephesian the "sword" is to be raised agaisnt the Satan. Ephesians 6:10Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
So I am still puzzled about Matthew 10:34,  not bringing peace, but a sword to raise son agaisnt his father, mother agaisnt daughter and so on, which is opposite to what Evangelists here in the US portray of Jesus as "Prince of Peace".
Hasan
 
 

The Word of God divides people one from another into two camps (even in families), for God or against him which put the latter on Satan's side thus there is a spiritual warfare going of on the earth for control over peoples minds and hearts!

 

As Jesus said:-

 

Matthew 12:30

He that is not on my side is against me, and he that does not gather with me scatters.

 

Luke 9:50

But Jesus said to him: �Do not YOU men try to prevent [him], for he that is not against YOU is for YOU.�

 

Luke 11:23

He that is not on my side is against me, and he that does not gather with me scatters.

 
Matthew 10:35-36
For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a young wife against her mother-in-law. 36 Indeed, a man�s enemies will be persons of his own household.
 

Any human being is on one side or the other, there is no on man�s land on this global field of battle!

 



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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

Ephesians 6

2"Honor your father and mother"�which is the first commandment with a promise�
It is one of the commandments Shasta
 
I'm not sure of your point here?
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You were quoting the Quran- Don't Muslims have the same basic commandments?
 
Believers, do not befriend your fathers or your brothers if they choose unbelief in preference to faith. Wrongdoers are those that befriend them.
Say: �If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your tribes, the property you have acquired, the merchandise you fear may not be sold, and the homes you love, are dearer to you than God, His apostle and the struggle for His cause, then wait until God shall fulfill His decree. God does not guide the evil-doers.�" S. 9:23-24
John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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believer,
yes, close but not exactly, only after you softern the tone by retranslating or explaining the words in the case of the Bible. Just compare the wording that is used to express the same thing if you insist. You do not see word "hate" or "bringing of a sword" used in the Quran toward non-believing family members unlike the Bible.
May be bad choice of words by whoever was putting those words together in case of the Bible.
Hasan


Edited by honeto - 23 May 2008 at 6:34pm
The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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