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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

You were quoting the Quran- Don't Muslims have the same basic commandments?
 
Believers, do not befriend your fathers or your brothers if they choose unbelief in preference to faith. Wrongdoers are those that befriend them.
Say: �If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your tribes, the property you have acquired, the merchandise you fear may not be sold, and the homes you love, are dearer to you than God, His apostle and the struggle for His cause, then wait until God shall fulfill His decree. God does not guide the evil-doers.�" S. 9:23-24
 
Ron was stating that The Quran stating we should be kind to parents and then stating that we should not take them as protectors and friends if they are non-believers or liars and hypocrits is a contradiction.
 
I was merely pointing out that it was not a cobtradiction as we can still show them kindness, but not accept their religious beliefs or hypocrisy.
 
Yes, it is the same in Christianity. Honor them, but not to the point of choosing them over God.
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Thanks Shasta.
 
LOL!!  honeto- still don't understand that do you.
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believer,
I agree and understand it as Shasta's Aunt does. But its not about understanding, its about the wording, "Hate your father and mother" as it clearly says, to me is a bad choice of words, its claimed to be coming out of a Holy book and not from a mystry novel.  Would God choose bad words or exaggerate his words while meaning less than that is strange in my opinion.
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Edited by honeto - 27 May 2008 at 6:05pm
The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Originally posted by honeto honeto wrote:

believer,
I agree and understand it as Shasta's Aunt does. But its not about understanding, its about the wording, "Hate your father and mother" as it clearly says, to me is a bad choice of words, its claimed to be coming out of a Holy book and not from a mystry novel.  Would God choose bad words or exaggerate his words while meaning less than that is strange in my opinion.
Hasan
 

In the Scriptures the word "hate" has several shades of meaning.   It may denote intense hostility, sustained ill will often accompanied by malice.   Such hate may become a consuming emotion seeking to bring harm to its object.   "Hate" may also signify a strong dislike but without any intent to bring harm to the object, seeking instead to avoid it because of a feeling of loathing toward it.   The Bible also employs the word "hate" to mean loving to a lesser degree. (Gen 29:31, 33; Deut 21:15, 16)   For example, Jesus Christ said: "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own soul, he cannot be my disciple." (Lu 14:26)   Obviously Jesus did not mean that his followers were to feel hostility or loathing toward their families and toward themselves, as this would not be in agreement with the rest of the Scriptures.�Compare Mark 12:29-31; Eph 5:28, 29, 33.
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Originally posted by robin robin wrote:

Originally posted by honeto honeto wrote:

believer,
I agree and understand it as Shasta's Aunt does. But its not about understanding, its about the wording, "Hate your father and mother" as it clearly says, to me is a bad choice of words, its claimed to be coming out of a Holy book and not from a mystry novel.  Would God choose bad words or exaggerate his words while meaning less than that is strange in my opinion.
Hasan
 

In the Scriptures the word "hate" has several shades of meaning.   It may denote intense hostility, sustained ill will often accompanied by malice.   Such hate may become a consuming emotion seeking to bring harm to its object.   "Hate" may also signify a strong dislike but without any intent to bring harm to the object, seeking instead to avoid it because of a feeling of loathing toward it.   The Bible also employs the word "hate" to mean loving to a lesser degree. (Gen 29:31, 33; Deut 21:15, 16)   For example, Jesus Christ said: "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own soul, he cannot be my disciple." (Lu 14:26)   Obviously Jesus did not mean that his followers were to feel hostility or loathing toward their families and toward themselves, as this would not be in agreement with the rest of the Scriptures.�Compare Mark 12:29-31; Eph 5:28, 29, 33.

 
 
Robin,
I understand that sometimes words can have different meanings, but I would think that a wise person is very careful with using words vs a un-wise person.
 
This quote is part of the same scripture too. Let us read:

Exodus 32:27 Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' " 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. 29 Then Moses said, "You have been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day."

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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Originally posted by honeto honeto wrote:

Originally posted by robin robin wrote:

Originally posted by honeto honeto wrote:

believer,
I agree and understand it as Shasta's Aunt does. But its not about understanding, its about the wording, "Hate your father and mother" as it clearly says, to me is a bad choice of words, its claimed to be coming out of a Holy book and not from a mystry novel.  Would God choose bad words or exaggerate his words while meaning less than that is strange in my opinion.
Hasan
 

In the Scriptures the word "hate" has several shades of meaning.   It may denote intense hostility, sustained ill will often accompanied by malice.   Such hate may become a consuming emotion seeking to bring harm to its object.   "Hate" may also signify a strong dislike but without any intent to bring harm to the object, seeking instead to avoid it because of a feeling of loathing toward it.   The Bible also employs the word "hate" to mean loving to a lesser degree. (Gen 29:31, 33; Deut 21:15, 16)   For example, Jesus Christ said: "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own soul, he cannot be my disciple." (Lu 14:26)   Obviously Jesus did not mean that his followers were to feel hostility or loathing toward their families and toward themselves, as this would not be in agreement with the rest of the Scriptures.�Compare Mark 12:29-31; Eph 5:28, 29, 33.

 
 
Robin,
I understand that sometimes words can have different meanings, but I would think that a wise person is very careful with using words vs a un-wise person.
 
This quote is part of the same scripture too. Let us read:

Exodus 32:27 Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' " 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. 29 Then Moses said, "You have been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day."

Hasan
 
WHY Ex. 32:7?  
 
Because of the following:-
 
Exodus 32:3-6
And all the people began tearing off the gold earrings that were in their ears and bringing them to Aaron. 4 Then he took [the gold] from their hands, and he formed it with a graving tool and proceeded to make it into a molten statue of a calf. And they began to say: "This is your God, O Israel, who led you up out of the land of Egypt." 5 When Aaron got to see this, he went to building an altar before it. Finally Aaron called out and said: "There is a festival to Jehovah tomorrow." 6 So on the next day they were early in rising, and they began offering up burnt offerings and presenting communion sacrifices. After that the people sat down to eat and drink. Then they got up to have a good time.
 
 
They had become Devil Worshipers againts God's expressed Law through Moses which caried the death sentance:-
 
Deuteronomy 13:1-5
"In case a prophet or a dreamer of a dream arises in your midst and does give you a sign or a portent, 2 and the sign or the portent does come true of which he spoke to you, saying, �Let us walk after other gods, whom you have not known, and let us serve them,� 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or to the dreamer of that dream, because Jehovah YOUR God is testing YOU to know whether YOU are loving Jehovah YOUR God with all YOUR heart and all YOUR soul. 4 After Jehovah YOUR God YOU should walk, and him YOU should fear, and his commandments YOU should keep, and to his voice YOU should listen, and him YOU should serve, and to him YOU should cling. 5 And that prophet or that dreamer of the dream should be put to death, because he has spoken of revolt against Jehovah YOUR God, who has brought YOU out of the land of Egypt and has redeemed you from the house of slaves, to turn you from the way in which Jehovah your God has commanded you to walk; and you must clear out what is evil from your midst.
 
Deuteronomy 6:14-15
YOU must not walk after other gods, any gods of the peoples who are all around YOU, 15 (for Jehovah your God in your midst is a God exacting exclusive devotion,) for fear the anger of Jehovah your God may blaze against you and he must annihilate you from off the surface of the ground.
 
Deuteronomy 7:4
For he will turn your son from following me, and they will certainly serve other gods; and Jehovah�s anger will indeed blaze against YOU, and he will certainly annihilate you in a hurry.
 
Deuteronomy 11:16-17
Watch out for yourselves for fear YOUR heart may be enticed, and YOU do turn aside and worship other gods and bow down to them, 17 and Jehovah�s anger does blaze against YOU, and he does shut up the heavens so that no rain will occur and the ground will not give its produce and YOU have to perish speedily from off the good land that Jehovah is giving YOU.
 
Thus is the God of Moses, He Will Not Tolarate the worship of Satanic & Demonic gods!
 

They were warned, they did not listion, and paid the price that God had said they would.   God proved his word to be true as a warning example that what the First Commandment say is NOT negotiable:-

 
Exodus 20:2-3
"I am Jehovah your God, who have brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slaves. 3 YOU MUST NOT have any other gods against my face.
 
if you do you die!
 
It is the same today, if humans do not worship Jehovah, the God of Moses and Jesus, that only leaves one other option, the Devil, so they will have to die, if they do not change, as he is their God!
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LOL!!  honeto- You are questiong Jesus' words and thus the WORD of GOD??
 
honeto-master editor?  too bad you don't look at the Quran in the same way.
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[QUOTE=believer]LOL!!  honeto- You are questiong Jesus' words and thus the WORD of GOD??
 
believer,
upon my posting this quote from the Bible as a show of hate against brother, friend, and neighbor VS the teaching love:
Exodus 32:27 Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' " 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. 29 Then Moses said, "You have been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day."
 
this was your reponse to above quote.
 
"honeto-master editor?  too bad you don't look at the Quran in the same"  
 
can you state what you are addressing here??
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Edited by honeto - 30 May 2008 at 6:13pm
The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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